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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:02 PM   #41
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I'm going to add my two cents to the whole "Americans tend to make heroes of Presidents". There's a good reason for that. U.S. Presidents are supposed to be exceptional--extraordinary--remarkable. They are all those things because there are so few of them. They have superpowers that can be used to save us or destroy us. Our lives rest with them and with the people closest to them. They are God-like in that way. There's an unexplained loyalty to our presidents because they have risen to the highest rank possible (against all odds) and because we the people expect them to be smarter and wiser--brilliant speakers, economists, military geniuses, & of the highest integrity. They act as the ultimate father-figures.
Our president will take care of us--all of us. He (or possibly SHE someday) will represent us in the international community. We want to be proud of the president--his appearance--his intelligence--his social skills--his ability to problem-solve and his resolve.
Maybe i've been on the internet too long and tried to have a nice casual grown up discussion with differing view points which have left me far too jaded and cynical about anyone having an objective opinion towards any President. They're either evil or good. Black or white. To be loved or hated.

Their true intricacies, successes or failures, their morality and ethics or petty childishness..... their humanity will not see the light of day for decades to come because we objectify them so much. This kind of scares the piss out of me.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:05 PM   #42
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How do you want me to answer a question any other way then i already have?

Clara caught it, why didn't you?
Bullshit, Clara did not comment on that specific post of yours.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:14 PM   #43
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Simple question(s). You going to answer or not?
What is particularly "crotchety" about them?
Your generalizing again. Ill answer most questions put to me, within reason.

Not them. Just you currently.

I'll try to engage or be considerately playful and... sweet mother of mary!!! Where the hell did that come from?!?!

You appear just like that. Set in your ways and no time for fooling around for anything.

That, or you just don't like me? I dunno? To quote you - (shrug)
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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:17 PM   #44
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Bullshit, Clara did not comment on that specific post of yours.
Now your pissing me off! Post #25 and #26.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:35 PM   #45
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Your generalizing again. Ill answer most questions put to me, within reason.

Not them. Just you currently.

I'll try to engage or be considerately playful and... sweet mother of mary!!! Where the hell did that come from?!?!

You appear just like that. Set in your ways and no time for fooling around for anything.

That, or you just don't like me? I dunno? To quote you - (shrug)
Bullshit. The questions were quite specific.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:20 PM   #46
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It couldn't hurt to post this again:

I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT.

And please, let's be civil in this discussion.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:39 PM   #47
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Bullshit. The questions were quite specific.
I answered basically and in simple terms any football fan can understand. If you don't like my answer, don' t read them. (Shrug)
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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:42 PM   #48
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It couldn't hurt to post this again:

I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT.

And please, let's be civil in this discussion.
With respect, i think your over thinking this.

Yes, i'll try and remain civil. But i can't guarantee anything if hollywood keeps choosing to approach me in the manner that he is.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:49 PM   #49
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I just bought and watched a video about Obama and I had forgotten what he stood for. He was opposed to war and nuclear build up, and I am wondering how we went from the extreme of opposing war and nuclear up to embracing military might and nuclear build up? Our nation is not stable but it is swinging from one extreme to another. We have become reactionary like Germany was.
That is not what he stood for. Just what he said to get elected.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:52 PM   #50
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Trump voters are a diverse collection of voters.

Some(a lot actually) are just Republicans, it's their team.
Some are racists, who are paying back the Democrats for Obama.
Some are misogynists, who would never vote for a woman.
Some are voting for change, they don't like what we have and Trump seemed like the most likely to change whatever was there.
Some are voting for Fuck You, their vote for Trump was their way to scream FUCK YOU to the world.
Some are voting for their father....or their father in law.
A lot were voting against Hillary Clinton, because they believe she is evil incarnate.


Anyway, that added up to almost half and it was spread out just so, we now have Trump as our president.

If ever there was a reason to rewrite the constitution....

How would you rewrite it comrade?


Would you start out w/ something simple that everyone seemingly agreed w/ like 4 legs good, 2 legs bad?
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