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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:33 PM   #51
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It couldn't hurt to post this again:

I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT.

And please, let's be civil in this discussion.


I am in no way in favor of war or increasing our global military presence but trump did not run under the pretense of no boots on the ground. It looks as if "isis" is 9n the decline, loosing ground. (Now my guess would be that the CIA or whoever is just moving their resources to Africa and that will be the new hot bed of terrorism or whatever) were you expecting that in a year a new POTUS would overturn decades of the MIC? There is a reason that that no name Kennedy was chosen to respond to the state of the union.


Trump is the anti pc figure that people who are sick to death of this insanity. He was created by the leftists running rampant trying to push this gendar spectrum, safe zone, language police on everyone. Remember the anchor baby speech? Where some leftist journalist stopped trump saying that anchor baby was offensive. Trump asked him what he should call them. The journalist said some crazy, postmodernist mouthful of nothingness. Trump cuts him off and says no. I think i will just use anchor baby.

Here it is


https://youtu.be/TPKuYhKanao

People saw slick taking, polished obama lie to them for years. Trump appears to cut to the case. People like that. Plus he is a capitalist. None of this "you didn't build it" crap.

If you want a specific answer, IT feel free i will give it a shot.

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Old February 11th, 2018, 06:44 PM   #52
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Maybe i've been on the internet too long and tried to have a nice casual grown up discussion with differing view points which have left me far too jaded and cynical about anyone having an objective opinion towards any President. They're either evil or good. Black or white. To be loved or hated.

Their true intricacies, successes or failures, their morality and ethics or petty childishness..... their humanity will not see the light of day for decades to come because we objectify them so much. This kind of scares the piss out of me.
In the past the vast majority of Americans supported the president, it became partisan every 4 years but a few months after the election 60% of Republicans had favorable opinions of Kennedy.
HW Bush was the last president to experience this.
With Clinton, we entered an era of eternal campaign mode.
GOP messaging was anti Clinton all through his 8 years.
It 's when the current political mode was born, where if you voted for the winner you think he's doing a good job, if not you think we have the worst president in history.
That is the result of a campaign designed to do exactly that, it's intentional, and it works.

It is the perfection of the two party system.
Which is a system designed to obtain power, any idea that it's to benefit anyone other than the political class is pollyannaish.
The GOP is the handmaiden of a few thousand big donors, they exist for the benefit of these several thousand individuals and fuck the other 350 million Americans, even the douchebags they trick into voting Republican.
The Democrats mean well, but they can only win if they get into a full press political mode that mirrors the GOP.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:59 PM   #53
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I am in no way in favor of war or increasing our global military presence but trump did not run under the pretense of no boots on the ground. It looks as if "isis" is 9n the decline, loosing ground. (Now my guess would be that the CIA or whoever is just moving their resources to Africa and that will be the new hot bed of terrorism or whatever) were you expecting that in a year a new POTUS would overturn decades of the MIC? There is a reason that that no name Kennedy was chosen to respond to the state of the union.


Trump is the anti pc figure that people who are sick to death of this insanity. He was created by the leftists running rampant trying to push this gendar spectrum, safe zone, language police on everyone. Remember the anchor baby speech? Where some leftist journalist stopped trump saying that anchor baby was offensive. Trump asked him what he should call them. The journalist said some crazy, postmodernist mouthful of nothingness. Trump cuts him off and says no. I think i will just use anchor baby.

Here it is


https://youtu.be/TPKuYhKanao

People saw slick taking, polished obama lie to them for years. Trump appears to cut to the case. People like that. Plus he is a capitalist. None of this "you didn't build it" crap.

If you want a specific answer, IT feel free i will give it a shot.

Thanks for providing some answers.

Why is the invective "neocon" applied - by you in the past - to Obama but not Trump? Why does he get a bye?

I know you said that he didn't run on a "peace" platform. but he did run on a (ridiculous imo) "drain the swamp" platform. Neocons are swamp creatures. Neocons help keep the swamp watered.

Neocons push for greater military spending. DJ has done that. You carried on about the Ds making an enemy of Russia. DJ just sold the Poles almost 300 Patriot missiles. Why are you silent on that? Why are you silent on DJ's push for new nukes?

Why are you silent on his inability to tell the truth, or even be consistent in his lies?
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Old February 12th, 2018, 05:09 AM   #54
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I am in no way in favor of war or increasing our global military presence but trump did not run under the pretense of no boots on the ground. It looks as if "isis" is 9n the decline, loosing ground. (Now my guess would be that the CIA or whoever is just moving their resources to Africa and that will be the new hot bed of terrorism or whatever) were you expecting that in a year a new POTUS would overturn decades of the MIC? There is a reason that that no name Kennedy was chosen to respond to the state of the union.


Trump is the anti pc figure that people who are sick to death of this insanity. He was created by the leftists running rampant trying to push this gendar spectrum, safe zone, language police on everyone. Remember the anchor baby speech? Where some leftist journalist stopped trump saying that anchor baby was offensive. Trump asked him what he should call them. The journalist said some crazy, postmodernist mouthful of nothingness. Trump cuts him off and says no. I think i will just use anchor baby.

Here it is


https://youtu.be/TPKuYhKanao

People saw slick taking, polished obama lie to them for years. Trump appears to cut to the case. People like that. Plus he is a capitalist. None of this "you didn't build it" crap.

If you want a specific answer, IT feel free i will give it a shot.
So they would rather have a crude buffoon lie to them?

Trump APPEARS to cut to the chase (not case)??? That's it? APPEARANCE is all that counts to you people, reality is irrelevant in your world?
The RW just wanted to be able talk like ignorant hicks and not hear any criticism over it? HOT DAMN, with Trump in we can say the N-word in public now and call gay people faggots!!!! USA! USA! USA! MAGA!!!

Trump is a capitalist? Well, no fucking shit! What do you think Obama is? Trump inherited his money and built on that. Obama got much of his wealth from being a successful author. One guy sold golf club membership, apartments and condos, another guy sold his skill as an author. BOTH are capitalists!
Sometimes I just can't believe the stupid and uninformed crap you type here.
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Old February 12th, 2018, 06:57 AM   #55
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So they would rather have a crude buffoon lie to them?

Trump APPEARS to cut to the chase (not case)??? That's it? APPEARANCE is all that counts to you people, reality is irrelevant in your world?
The RW just wanted to be able talk like ignorant hicks and not hear any criticism over it? HOT DAMN, with Trump in we can say the N-word in public now and call gay people faggots!!!! USA! USA! USA! MAGA!!!

Trump is a capitalist? Well, no fucking shit! What do you think Obama is? Trump inherited his money and built on that. Obama got much of his wealth from being a successful author. One guy sold golf club membership, apartments and condos, another guy sold his skill as an author. BOTH are capitalists!
Sometimes I just can't believe the stupid and uninformed crap you type here.
Look, I hear your POV and agree with your points, but at some point HW we either stop being so rough on each other or flat out start shooting, and that is a possibility, not a likelihood but a possibility. So please ease up on Panther HW. The task of healing our nation is huge, and it has to start somewhere so let's put our heads together and each of us chip in our two cents' worth.

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Trump is the anti pc figure that people who are sick to death of this insanity. He was created by the leftists running rampant trying to push this gendar spectrum, safe zone, language police on everyone.
Like many who don't support Trump, I too wonder why Trump supporters place so much value on "telling it like it is." The irony, the exquisite irony of supporting Trump's for "telling it like it is" is that "telling it like it is" is PC for being a rude, misogynistic, narcissist whose mouth quite often gets way ahead of his mind, and, of course, the man is a reflexive liar who seldom tells it like it is.

Never forget this administration was introduced by Kellyanne as the alternative facts administration, and, here comes the irony again, that when it tells it like it is - using alternative facts - accuses any person or source that disagrees with its telling it like it is of promoting "fake news."

I really hope that DTT's Trump supporters can understand the quandary the rest of us face. Bringing up Obama or Bill or Hillary Clinton is pointless. None are president. DJ is. Thus far, only Sabcat and Panther have been brave and kind enough to try to help us understand.

But what about the rest of you who've been notably absent?

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Old February 12th, 2018, 06:59 AM   #56
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Thanks for providing some answers.

Why is the invective "neocon" applied - by you in the past - to Obama but not Trump? Why does he get a bye?

I know you said that he didn't run on a "peace" platform. but he did run on a (ridiculous imo) "drain the swamp" platform. Neocons are swamp creatures. Neocons help keep the swamp watered.

Neocons push for greater military spending. DJ has done that. You carried on about the Ds making an enemy of Russia. DJ just sold the Poles almost 300 Patriot missiles. Why are you silent on that? Why are you silent on DJ's push for new nukes?

Why are you silent on his inability to tell the truth, or even be consistent in his lies?
Wait, who called Obama a neoconservative? I'm pretty sure it's Bush that gets that label. And few of the other fuckwits in the Republican party who should disappear, like McCain and Ryan and whatnot.
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Wait, who called Obama a neoconservative? I'm pretty sure it's Bush that gets that label. And few of the other fuckwits in the Republican party who should disappear, like McCain and Ryan and whatnot.
Please.....
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As usual, we need a definition. Neo-Conservatives. What are Neo-Conservatives?
Would you agree with this?

“Neocons” believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.

Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough.
Most neocons share unwavering support for Israel, which they see as crucial to US military sufficiency in a volatile region.
What does a neo-conservative world look like? And WHO (currently) is a genuine neo con??
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Look, I hear your POV and agree with your points, but at some point HW we either stop being so rough on each other or flat out start shooting, and that is a possibility, not a likelihood but a possibility. So please ease up on Panther HW. The task of healing our nation is huge, and it has to start somewhere so let's put our heads together and each of us chip in our two cents' worth.



Like many who don't support Trump, I too wonder why Trump supporters place so much value on "telling it like it is." The irony, the exquisite irony of supporting Trump's for "telling it like it is" is that "telling it like it is" is PC for being a rude, misogynistic, narcissist whose mouth quite often gets way ahead of his mind, and, of course, the man is a reflexive liar who seldom tells it like it is.

Never forget this administration was introduced by Kellyanne as the alternative facts administration, and, here comes the irony again, that when it tells it like it is - using alternative facts - accuses any person or source that disagrees with its telling it like it is of promoting "fake news."

I really hope that DTT's Trump supporters can understand the quandary the rest of us face. Bringing up Obama or Bill or Hillary Clinton is pointless. None are president. DJ is. Thus far, only Sabcat and Panther have been brave and kind enough to try to help us understand.

But what about the rest of you who've been notably absent?
To be fair, that post was directed to Sabcat and not Panther.
Besides, i thought the RW conservatives LIKED people who were not all polite and PC, who "told it like it is', etc. etc. The RW conservatives don't approve of people that are civil, diplomatic and prone to compromise.

Out of respect for your request I will ease up. Hell, I've learned that it's likely to piss off the worst RW when I am unfailingly polite to them more than when I virtually slap them around a little.

They tend to get confounded and confused by words like "explain", clarify", "why" and "proof."
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Every time I see a picture like this one:



I can't help thinking: middle school. The bad ass bully, son of rich dad who never does any of his clique's dirty work, breathing through his teeth, being all big and bad.

The repulsion I feel is so visceral. I got in the face of middle school bullies and invited them to buzz off. My friends did too. The "bad guys" almost always backed off.

Trump supporters, didn't you feel the same way about middle school bullies?
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