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Old February 11th, 2018, 07:32 AM   #1
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What drives the Trump phenomenon?

I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT. And please, let's be civil in this discussion.

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Thank you, IT - those are all questions which I've tried to get answers to. All I receive is sound of crickets.
Hopefully, you'll get a more lively response.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 07:39 AM   #3
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I can't see how it isn't obvious to you yet.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 07:48 AM   #4
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I can't see how it isn't obvious to you yet.
The only thing “obvious” to me is that hard core Trump supporters will defend ANYTHING he says or does rather than admit they made a mistake in electing this guy.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 07:49 AM   #5
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I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT. And please, let's be civil in this discussion.
I have factual rebuttals for lots of your statements, but I've already wasted time sending this statement.......
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Old February 11th, 2018, 08:13 AM   #6
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I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT. And please, let's be civil in this discussion.
People love Trump because he appeals to their fear and lack of self-esteem. He appeals to people trapped in their toddler brains.

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The Road to Psychological Ruin Begins with Blame

If you feel bad about anything at all and blame it on someone else, what can you then do to make yourself feel better?

Not a thing. The act of blame renders you powerless, which is the internal source of all the frustration, anger, and resentment that go with blame. More important, blame strips your painful emotions of their primary function, which is to motivate corrective behavior. Blaming becomes more urgent than healing, correcting, and improving. Once it becomes a habit, blame keeps you locked in the toddler brain, where it poisons relationships and gouges at the core sense of self—a high price to pay for the temporary advantage of transferring guilt and shame to others.

The Road to Psychological Ruin Begins with Blame

If you feel bad about anything at all and blame it on someone else, what can you then do to make yourself feel better?

Not a thing. The act of blame renders you powerless, which is the internal source of all the frustration, anger, and resentment that go with blame. More important, blame strips your painful emotions of their primary function, which is to motivate corrective behavior. Blaming becomes more urgent than healing, correcting, and improving. Once it becomes a habit, blame keeps you locked in the toddler brain, where it poisons relationships and gouges at the core sense of self—a high price to pay for the temporary advantage of transferring guilt and shame to others.
Individuals who feel powerless can enjoy a sense of power by being one of the crowd. If this crowd has nuclear power, that is a wonderful power to have. Leaders from the beginning of civilizations have understood this. They have used belief in the gods and also winning wars, to gain faithful followers.

We had education that manifested adults with a sense of personal authority and power, but replaced it with education for technology and preparing everyone for the Military Industrial Complex, leaving people stuck in their toddler brains, and Trump is the ideal leader for this.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 08:24 AM   #7
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I have factual rebuttals for lots of your statements, but I've already wasted time sending this statement.......
Unbrother, please stop wasting your time.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 08:32 AM   #8
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The only thing “obvious” to me is that hard core Trump supporters will defend ANYTHING he says or does rather than admit they made a mistake in electing this guy.
The other side of this is blaming others for everything they think is a problem. It is never their job to be the solution to a problem, other than acting against those who are to blame for the problem. Bigger and more weapons. I better wall and stronger laws. Finally being one of those who follows the powerful leader. All those bad people and what we can do about them, gives us a sense of power and purpose, right?

Never mind that we defended our democracy against that mentality in two world wars, and our military might is supposed to defend that for which our nation stands.
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I can't see how it isn't obvious to you yet.
So explain, clarify.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 08:50 AM   #10
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I have factual rebuttals for lots of your statements, but I've already wasted time sending this statement.......
In other words you have NOTHING but just wanted to talk shit for minute, as IF you did have some sort of point. Got it.
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