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Old April 22nd, 2018, 03:33 PM   #41
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Prove that it is true.


Prove that it's NOT TRUE. Facts are no longer "facts", are they? Statistics are no longer statistics. Quotes/video/audio are no longer trusted. YOU seem to have an argument for EVERYTHING. Just call them alternative facts and fake news and the Trump Team is GOOD TO GO.

And don't forget that Mueller and his campers don't have to tell us squat. There's a mountain of info that 'we the people' have not seen or heard.
Judges DO NOT sign FISA warrants for no reason. A federal indictment is intimidating and inscrutable FOR A REASON....and yet you and the boys have just blown it off as a ham sandwich. Why?

By law, a federal indictment can only be brought (or in technical terms “returned”) by a grand jury, which is a body of 16 to 23 citizens chosen from the community. Once the grand jury hears the evidence, it votes to indict or to not indict, based on whether there is “probable cause” to believe the defendant is guilty. You boys seem to think this is a one-man show: Robert Mueller--picking on Donny Boy. It's not and it's high time you took this seriously.

The hypocrisy lies in the fact that for 8 years the voters heard NOTHING but obstruction from the GOP--conspiracy theories that were astonishing--and you BOUGHT THEM, even though there was NO evidence to support them. Some on your side of the argument STILL believe the conspiracies and don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.

If you are so sure Trump is innocent of ALL WRONG DOING, then prove it by letting Mueller and his band of merry men and women DO THEIR JOB...and SHUT UP ABOUT IT...because you do NOT HAVE all the facts.
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Old April 22nd, 2018, 03:57 PM   #42
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Here in the USA people do not need to prove they are innocent of some wild accusation.
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Old April 22nd, 2018, 04:14 PM   #43
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Here in the USA people do not need to prove they are innocent of some wild accusation.
Unless your name is Clinton or Obama
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Old April 22nd, 2018, 05:49 PM   #44
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I understand. My mom was a quiet psychic, and she passed that on to me.

No, I'm saying that you fell for "the story," the story that deludes you into thing that you know guilt or innocence before you can know. In doing so, you insulate yourself from the facts of the matter, which are as of yet not fully known. In fact, we don't even know how much we don't know.

And the energy you devote to remaining insulating is increasing. You increasingly make no sense, and you increasingly seem to be unaware of how you're deconstructing yourself.

That's the problem with your side. You already know what you can't know. It's terrible to watch you, a person of above average intelligence by my estimation, be led around by your nose like this.


Trump rented a room that the obamas once stayed in and then hired hookers to pee on a bed that they once slept in. That is a story that you are getting behind? Ok. Sure.
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 01:45 AM   #45
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Trump rented a room that the obamas once stayed in and then hired hookers to pee on a bed that they once slept in. That is a story that you are getting behind? Ok. Sure.
And the hotel housekeeping staff reported that there was urine on the bedspread...
And several other source say the Russians have video of Trump with prostitutes.

And other claims of the Steele Dossier, once denied, are now admitted to be fact.

You pull one claim, like it's a standalone, and say "this is too fantastic for me to believe, therefore it just can't be true".

Yet, the dossier is a collection of claims, many of which have been denied by Trump, including claims that have later been proven true.

Whenever we know what actually happened, Steele was telling the truth, Trump was lying.
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 03:19 AM   #46
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And the hotel housekeeping staff reported that there was urine on the bedspread...
And several other source say the Russians have video of Trump with prostitutes.

And other claims of the Steele Dossier, once denied, are now admitted to be fact.

You pull one claim, like it's a standalone, and say "this is too fantastic for me to believe, therefore it just can't be true".

Yet, the dossier is a collection of claims, many of which have been denied by Trump, including claims that have later been proven true.

Whenever we know what actually happened, Steele was telling the truth, Trump was lying.
Oh my god that is too funny! You are so ridiculous. You read this stuff on the internet.
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 07:11 AM   #47
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Ask these rocket scientists to list the claims in the Steele Dossier. Outside of the pee pee tape claim, I bet they don’t know any of the claims in the Steele Dossier. I have never seen any right winger speak to any of the claims in the dossier outside of the pee pee tape.
The claims in the Dossier are irrelevant so we aren't going to play your game of refuting the claims in the Dossier...
What matters is..... It was used to get the FISA Warrants and it was not corroborated by 2 independent sources....therefor the FBI lied to the FISA Court and therefor the whole Mueller Investigation is in question..... Now we find out that there was NO INTELLIGENCE used to get the Special Counsel to Investigate.....
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 07:19 AM   #48
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Prove that it's NOT TRUE. Facts are no longer "facts", are they? Statistics are no longer statistics. Quotes/video/audio are no longer trusted. YOU seem to have an argument for EVERYTHING. Just call them alternative facts and fake news and the Trump Team is GOOD TO GO.

And don't forget that Mueller and his campers don't have to tell us squat. There's a mountain of info that 'we the people' have not seen or heard.
Judges DO NOT sign FISA warrants for no reason. A federal indictment is intimidating and inscrutable FOR A REASON....and yet you and the boys have just blown it off as a ham sandwich. Why?

By law, a federal indictment can only be brought (or in technical terms “returned”) by a grand jury, which is a body of 16 to 23 citizens chosen from the community. Once the grand jury hears the evidence, it votes to indict or to not indict, based on whether there is “probable cause” to believe the defendant is guilty. You boys seem to think this is a one-man show: Robert Mueller--picking on Donny Boy. It's not and it's high time you took this seriously.

The hypocrisy lies in the fact that for 8 years the voters heard NOTHING but obstruction from the GOP--conspiracy theories that were astonishing--and you BOUGHT THEM, even though there was NO evidence to support them. Some on your side of the argument STILL believe the conspiracies and don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.

If you are so sure Trump is innocent of ALL WRONG DOING, then prove it by letting Mueller and his band of merry men and women DO THEIR JOB...and SHUT UP ABOUT IT...because you do NOT HAVE all the facts.
NONE of your rationalizations matter.....What part of TWO sources have to corroborate the facts brought before the FISA Court?? . The Dossier was not corroborated, by anyone...ergo...Nobody has to prove it false....The Rubber Stamp FISA Court has some explaining to do and the FBI has some explaining to do for bringing uncorroborated evidence to the court....that is fraud... The Mueller Investigation is coming apart fast...real fast!!
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 07:24 AM   #49
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Unless your name is Clinton or Obama
And those wild accusations against Clinton and Obama were??

That Clinton had an unsecured server??

That Clinton placed classified information on that unsecured server??

That Obama possibly obstructed justice by ordering the DOJ to cover-up the Investigation of that server??

These are deadly serious accusations backed up by facts and are hardly wild...
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 07:38 AM   #50
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So far, the Steele Dossier contains stuff that the White House has denied, like the Pee Pee Tape, that has not been shown to happen. And stuff that the White House has denied, a meeting between Trump campaign officials and Russian agents at Trump Tower, a Trump campaign official traveling to Eastern Europe to meet with Russian agents, that has been shown to have happened.


Nothing in the Steele Dossier has been shown to be false.
I'm thinking that in 50 years, everything in the Steele Dossier will have been shown to be true....
If you were thinking, you wouldn't post garbage like this.
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