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Old May 12th, 2018, 04:52 AM   #11
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Cutting to the chase....

The brick wall I hit as I tried to keep an open mind regarding Trump the person: My parents taught me to avoid people like him, and for sure not to practice the morals and values he displays.

By the time I graduated from high school, I understood their advice. As I grew older, meeting such individuals, the wisdom of their advice became apparent.

My Mom and Dad created the "root" of my "TDS." Thus, when I'm accused of TDS, accusations are likewise laid at the feet of my dear, departed Mom and Dad.

Am I alone? Did anyone's parents teach you differently? Did they or he or she place hope in your maturing into a person holding the values displayed by Donald Trump?

To be fair, or a person like Bill Clinton?
I think Dan Rather recently expounded upon your thought quite eloquently.

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Dan Rather takes off the gloves: "slush funds, the money passing through Trump properties" and more

"No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community." - Theodore Roosevelt

As a citizen, I detest the stench of corruption. As a journalist, I know corruption makes for very fertile investigative reporting. And as a student of history, I have learned that corruption often lays waste to the powerful.

That is why I am stunned by what is taking place today. Over the course of my life I have never seen a level of corruption in the United States equal to that emanating from the Trump Administration. It is the ultimate threat to effective governance. It is morally repugnant and a repudiation of the very ideals of our democracy. It is the rot of power for sale.

Of all the current dangers to the norms of our democracy, and there are many, I worry most that we will become a nation that shrugs off corruption as business as usual. This is not to say that we haven't had corruption in the past. But one thing that has marked this country from others is that, especially at the highest levels of government, our corruption (and our tolerance for it) has been comparatively very low.

The corruption that has already been proven is staggering. But with the latest revelations around slush funds, the money passing through Trump properties, this bizarre story of a "dirty ops" campaign against Obama Administration officials, the daily Pruitt perfidy (and so, so, so much more) one has a sense that we are seeing but the tip of the corruption iceberg. I have long felt that one reason why our global competitors and adversaries like China and Russia would falter was that the corruption that pulsates through their political systems is ultimately destabilizing. And now we are following down that same dangerous path.

I hear many on air and on line invoke President Trump's promise to "drain the swamp" to mark his rank hypocrisy. But I suggest that those who care about this issue drop the "swamp" metaphor as a reference. It is too cute, too passive, and too esoteric for what is going on. This is about hardworking, law-abiding Americans being played for suckers. This is about the very idea of honest government becoming just another partisan divide. There are already many worrisome signs that this mindset is seeping into the candidacies of those seeking lower office.

In the end, however, I trust the American people will not sit idly by and allow the fleecing of their country to take place without a reckoning at the ballot box, and likely in the halls of justice.

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Old May 12th, 2018, 06:31 AM   #12
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I think Dan Rather recently expounded upon your thought quite eloquently.


Yes, I think many of us are stunned at the level of corruption today--the power for sale. Just when we think we have reached our lowest point we are surprised to find NOPE--there is a lower level.

Joe Biden was recently quoted as saying "Decency at the WH has reached rock bottom." That was in response to Trump's WH aide's (Kelly Sadler) comment about McCain.."He's dying anyway."

"People have wondered when decency would hit rock bottom with this administration. It happened yesterday," Biden said in a striking statement.

I wish Biden was right, but honestly, I don't think this is rock bottom because I don't think this WH has a rock bottom...and neither do Trump's supporters.

Generation after generation of Americans have been taught the virtues of courtesy, civility, tact, consideration, modesty, humility and honesty. Now we are told that it was all wrong. We were wrong. It was all political correctness gone amock.
We are told it's BETTER to be arrogant, harsh, indecent, rude, immoral, and obscene. Forget the 10 Commandments. Forget love your neighbor.

We are told to buy a gun, prepare for 'end of days', and to be the strong ones who survive. That's all that matters.

This truly breaks my heart.
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Old May 12th, 2018, 06:40 AM   #13
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Well, I'm all for looking at people's accomplishments, but let's be realistic while we're at it. People's accomplishments SHOULD include some sort of decency, don't you think? Or do we just base our admiration on "accomplishments"?

Do you esteem people like Ted Bundy? He had lots of accomplishments. How about Jack the Ripper? Jeffrey Dahmer? Bonnie and Clyde? Al Capone? Adolph Hitler?
LOTS of accomplishments for all these folks. Right?
For some the ends justifies the means.

For the rest of us there are some lines we shouldn’t cross nor tolerate it when someone else crosses them.
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Old May 12th, 2018, 10:00 PM   #14
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What is "TDS"?

Now, I certainly understand the point you are making--though I would point out, leaders teach by example, and many parents do not set a good example, regardless of sweet sounding words they may say. Talking kindness, strength, intelligence, loyalty, integrity, etc. is easy and hence is performed by many, acting it out (consistently) is another matter entirely.
Yeah, well, my dad was THE most honest and sincere person I've ever met.

Sorry you can't say the same, or answer the question posed in the OP.
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Old May 12th, 2018, 10:01 PM   #15
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I used to think we were all raised that way, IT. I certainly raised my children to be respectful, kind to others--and it wasn't just "words"--it was role modeling.
Yep, I raised my children the way I was raised, and they are awesome people.
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Old May 12th, 2018, 10:03 PM   #16
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My parents taught me to look at people's accomplishments not hate them for who they are.

Obama worst Economy since the Great Depression

Trump Brought back real economic Growth

Obama extended a Recession by 7 years

Trump Brought back excellent economic Growth

Obama created a 28/hour work week and sold it as the new normal

Trump Brought back the 40 hour work week

Obama expanded the Welfare Roles (because of the 28 hour work week normality)

Trump has caused the welfare rolls to decline because part time jobs were upsized to full time.
Too bad for you, though I'm not surprised in the least.
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Has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Don’t let him deflect this thread.
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Old May 12th, 2018, 10:09 PM   #18
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I think Dan Rather recently expounded upon your thought quite eloquently.
Thanks, but what did your parents teach you which is the topic of this thread?
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Old May 13th, 2018, 03:30 AM   #19
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What did your parents teach you about "TDS"?
One can only hope that parents are smart enough to let children know that whenever this silly and sophomoric label is used when any other argument is impossible it's a purely political bumper sticker phrase and is totally meaningless and without merit or validity.

One can only hope.
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Old May 13th, 2018, 04:46 AM   #20
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[QUOTE=Clara007;1166814]The argument is that Obama's "JOBS" were all part-time jobs and THEY don't count. LOL[/QUOTE


Reading problems. Who said all I said about 1/2 were..

Silly Liberals cannot quantitate.
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