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Old May 29th, 2018, 04:29 PM   #21
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Yes. After my post displaying my ignorance, I decided to join the 20th century and use this valuable tool called the internet to investigate this. The also stressed the safety and environmental issues related to high evaporation rates.

But what strikes me is that in Canada we don't do this. And it seems based on the limited reading I did, the US south, which stays pretty warm through the winter from this igloo-weller's perspective and the the northern states have the same transition.

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The actual test is called the RVP Reid vapor pressure. They put a fixed amount of fuel into a container and raise it's temp to 100 deg F.

And yes I would assume the deep south wouldn't have much need for a true winter grade fuel and inversely the far north little need for a true summer grade. Of course state requirements play into all of that as well. Some states requiring reformulated fuels etc.
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Old May 29th, 2018, 04:55 PM   #22
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The actual test is called the RVP Reid vapor pressure. They put a fixed amount of fuel into a container and raise it's temp to 100 deg F.

And yes I would assume the deep south wouldn't have much need for a true winter grade fuel and inversely the far north little need for a true summer grade. Of course state requirements play into all of that as well. Some states requiring reformulated fuels etc.
I'm very familiar with Reid Vapor Pressures. I worked in chemical formulations for oil industry treatment products for a while. I just had never run into summer vs winter gas grades before this current media attention to higher gas prices.
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Old May 29th, 2018, 04:58 PM   #23
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I'm very familiar with Reid Vapor Pressures. I worked in chemical formulations for oil industry treatment products for a while. I just had never run into summer vs winter gas grades before this current media attention to higher gas prices.

And of course the oil companies "insist" it costs them MORE to make the summer grades so they HAVE to raise prices for the summer vacation season !!!!
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Old May 29th, 2018, 05:00 PM   #24
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I have never figured out why any working person would think a billionaire who was born rich, has never worked a real days labor in his life, could possibly understand what it means to be an average working person in this country ??? Much less how they thought he was actually going to fight for them ???
You mean like all the rich Communists, Marxists, Socialists, whatever? You can't figure it out due to the mental block and tunnel-vision googles commonly found with TDS sufferers.

I didn't vote for Trump, but if you think Hillary was a champion for the little guy, I want some of whatever you're smoking.

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God bless he,r my own step daughter is a Trumpanzee. Struggling single mom trying to raise her daughter. I can't for the life of me imagine why she thinks Trump will ever do anything for her.
It is due to her immune system being able to ward off TDS. Trump got voted into office. She supported him, maybe she is right or maybe she is wrong, but only time and history can tell whereas for you on the other hand, there probably are not more than a post of two from you here on DTT during the Trump era that were not bitching about him. You're the one with the compulsive behavior and you call her a Trumpanzee which only further reinforces your image as being obsessed.
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Old May 29th, 2018, 05:36 PM   #25
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Yep. Any raise or bonus anyone may have received is now gone with higher gas prices, and rising healthcare premiums and drug costs. Then comes the shock of giving anything they got back plus some, when the tax cuts for workers reverses and their taxes start going up.
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Except that she is using OBAMACARE for health insurance for both herself and daughter !!!! Shen now makes too much for her daughter to qualify under the state's insurance program for kids. If Trump had had his way she'd now be completely UNINSURED !! See I just don't get it. Shen is directly benefiting from an Obama era program while simultaneously supporting a man that has tried repeatedly to do away with that program.
I don't know where your daughter is located but i do know that the state healthcare was miles ubove better than when the feds got involved both here in MN and in Iowa. The unaffordable care act was a debacle
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Old May 30th, 2018, 10:42 AM   #27
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Yep. Any raise or bonus anyone may have received is now gone with higher gas prices, and rising healthcare premiums and drug costs. Then comes the shock of giving anything they got back plus some, when the tax cuts for workers reverses and their taxes start going up.
That's the big ruse with any government...I don't care what brand..giving the tax cuts BS. Progressive taxation was created to balance out the inequalities of capitalism to start with: most of the benefits accumulate at the top, and less and less filters through to the lower layers for the people who have to do the jobs no one else is willing to do! So, the cuts are a direct attack on any progressive system, since most of the savings on taxes are taken by the higher income earners, while lower income workers are lucky to have change to buy a coffee.

As for Trump, this paragraph jumps out at me in the editorial: Trump is handing his base cultural victories (leaving the Iran deal, moving the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem) while handing all the economic victories to big business and the superrich.

What's ironic is it looks like both official parties are following the same strategy of handing the base symbolic victories/while giving the real winnings to their friends and people they hope will be their friends after they do them favors while in office!
With Obama, it was bail out the bankers instead of the homeowners with 'liar loans'; focus on a small..mostly symbolic immigration issue of DACA and 'Dreamers' while expanding budgets for ICE, border policing and detention cells for undocumented migrants, and even separating family members in detention; talking peace while expanding military, drone warfare and adding more warfronts; commiserating about police shootings of young black men/while avoiding issues like policing reforms or reforming taxation policies so that poorer minority-dominated cities can afford decent public schools, clean water and other public services instead of more expensive, oppressive and intrusive policing as the one and only solution for urban crime and related issues.

So, conservatives offer their followers symbolism and liberals try to do the same thing it seems! The real difference is that the most ruthless and nauseous policies come from rightwing administrations. It would just be good for once, if the "left" had the balls to dial them back when they get in power.
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Old May 31st, 2018, 08:25 PM   #28
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Typical oil industry bullshit !!!!

They use Trump pulling out of Iran as an excuse to raise prices. I see an article about ocean going ships needing low sulfur fuels which will keep oil prices high for the time being. All of this just before the long weekend of course.

Then just yesterday there's an article saying that OPEC and Russia are going to bump production to "stabilize prices".

Just excuses for oil companies to gouge us at the pump for the holiday weekend.
actually the shipping is true. Expect a bump because of it. The day of burning heavy black oil is almost over. Its called environmental zones. Ships have to continuously switch over fuel tanks as the enter into these zones. Its to the point that most of the voyages now consist of burning more light fuel than heavy. Heavy fuel is actually a by product of the refinery process. Because of the restriction place on it, the price of heavy fuel has actually gone higher than light fuels in many places. The main thing is that now ships are burning the same fuel as commercial trucks and trains for the most part. That is a more expensive fuel to burn. It absolutely affects the supply of fuel to the rest of the world. Personally i support getting away from burning heavy black and intermediate fuel.
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