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Old December 12th, 2016, 10:27 PM   #41
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You do learn critical thinking at universities, if anything safe spaces promote critical thinking. The more vulnerable people in our society need space to discuss their experiences without having to deal with people who deny them all the time. If anything, this makes one more rigid in their logic: you learn from other people, and this makes you strong in your argumentative ability and you are able to confront anyone.

Hanging out in what we call "safe spaces" gave me the opportunity to discuss my experiences, opinions, etc. with like-minded people. When I go out into the world, I know how to deal with those who are hostile to me.
How can one work on critical thinking skills when conflicting opinions are frowned upon and even sanctioned?

Things like study groups and what not are places to create "safe places" for likeminded people to bounce ideas off of one and other. The classroom, curriculum and the funded campus are not. In fact if all people are doing is sharing whatever the popular meme is how are they to grow and/or challenge themselves? This is the very thing that has gotten us into the situation that we are in now.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #42
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And people make the choice to be a part of "safe spaces." If you want to be a racist/sexist/etc. asshole then you are free to go somewhere where your views are accepted.
No one is saying that a self created "safe place" is wrong in any way. It is when they are perpetrated by the by the school itself that is where the issue lies.
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One of the freedoms allegedly served by safe spaces is freedom from bullying.

According to modern-day rules I would have been involved in lockdown-inspiring, mutual acts of bullying - fights - four, bloodletting times. But we never beat the shit out of each other, pounding on each other after the winner has been decided.

I "intervened" on behalf of smaller weaker guys I don't know how many times. All my friends did the same. Sometimes more than one of us suggested to a bully that he should think about backing off.

I know kids can't do that today, and worse, the possibility of a weapon becoming involved is present.

It seems bullying is a bigger problem than it was 50 years ago because fighting back is prohibited. I've seen the claim that on average every day 160,000 acts of bullying are committed. I went to huge middle and high schools, 3,000 kids. Days and days would go by without any acts of bullying. Fights were a big deal, and well known throughout the school.

We kids had a safe space. We created it, the usual mix of sheep and sheep dogs ... and wolves.
Being safe from physical abuse and being safe from conflicting points of view are two entirely different things.
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Being safe from physical abuse and being safe from conflicting points of view are two entirely different things.
Are they?
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Are they?
Sticks and stones.......

The only reason people want to be "safe" from conflicting points of view is that they are in denial and wish to stay there.
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How can one work on critical thinking skills when conflicting opinions are frowned upon and even sanctioned?

Things like study groups and what not are places to create "safe places" for likeminded people to bounce ideas off of one and other. The classroom, curriculum and the funded campus are not. In fact if all people are doing is sharing whatever the popular meme is how are they to grow and/or challenge themselves? This is the very thing that has gotten us into the situation that we are in now.
Sometimes called a Critique after an exercise where all opinions are openly expressed and not the same as a Debriefing.
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Sticks and stones.......

The only reason people want to be "safe" from conflicting points of view is that they are in denial and wish to stay there.
Oh you mean conservatives !
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Sometimes called a Critique after an exercise where all opinions are openly expressed and not the same as a Debriefing.
In the theatre it's called notes.
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When one can not differentiate between having someone beaten or physically threaten to Pro/Con opinion or debate it sure makes one wonder how a part of our society has been turned into such a fragile state.

Sooner or later our universities and parents who produced such nonsense will be eaten by the ones in which they created and history once again will repeat itself.
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In the theatre it's called notes.
Constructional criticism is a critique. I have never acted on the stage and thanks for telling me that notes are a critique back stage after a performance. A rose is a rose and anything that smells as sweet.
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