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Old January 29th, 2017, 11:25 AM   #31
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Bump. @RTL, it's more than hundreds.
I was talking about the per day or per week movements of refugees. The point I was trying to make is, if we start feeling overwhelmed by millions and billions of possible refugees, doors will close pretty quick and excuses will be found.
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Old January 29th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #32
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That depends on how long it takes to go from hundreds to thousands of refugees!

Canada has long been high on the list of nations that take in and successfully integrate refugees and immigrants from far off lands. I won't go into all the policy reasons why Canada does a much better job at this than just about every country in Europe for example, but before the fawning over how wonderful Canadians are gets to ridiculous levels, we are more tolerant than the vast majority of places in the US when it comes to people who are new...or the wrong color( I live in a community that is majority first and 2nd generation Canadians and I have few complaints) but if Canada finds boatloads of refugees coming to our shores like Australia does...than the liberal, tolerant veneer will wear off pretty quickly!

It bothers me that refugees(the people who've done nothing to deserve the wars, regime changes and climate disruption overtaking their lands) are treated like criminals, but I don't see things getting better in the rest of the world any time soon as long as the same people who've created these problems are still running governments and corporations that cause them.

I don't know what it's like there but if these new "refugees" assimilated that the refugees in the past did there would be much less issue. Also the majority are working/fighting age men and not women/children or families in the traditional western sence of the world.

They create mirror communities w/in ours and suck up resorces such as welfare programs and health care contributing little to nothing back. This is where I see the problem.
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I don't know what it's like there but if these new "refugees" assimilated that the refugees in the past did there would be much less issue. Also the majority are working/fighting age men and not women/children or families in the traditional western sence of the world.

They create mirror communities w/in ours and suck up resorces such as welfare programs and health care contributing little to nothing back. This is where I see the problem.
Should it be surprising that young men have an easier time escaping from free-fire zones and traveling hundreds of miles overland and on boats than old people and women with children? What was the excuse offered by all the border knobs harassing and attacking children who were sent by their families in Honduras? Recall that Honduras was the Obama Admin's first regime change attempt...to get an uncooperative elected government out for a corporate and IMF-friendly version. But the right has no interest in attacking US colonialism abroad, just denigrating any of those who try to escape the mess America creates in their homelands!

They're looking for excuses to reject refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, who are mostly trying to escape US/NATO wars of aggression, and get to Europe because it's closer than trying to get to North America!

*I want to add that, regarding the "contributing nothing" story that's spread around by Fortress America and other rightwingers, that most western nations have aging populations, and most of the new immigration is filling in the blanks of bad demographics here in Canada. Even if a goal is set to reduce population growth (which I hope is restarted after 40 year absence)a nation of retirees will soon find itself with no one to do the work to maintain society...let alone take care of them when too old to look after themselves!

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The Europeans have the single men of fighting age problem as these are the "boat people".

Canada and the US have a much better situation where it is way harder for poor people to sneak in and thus vetting is much easier. In Canada, the majority of war refugees are admitted as family units.
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Mr. Google tells me that Canada has accepted 25,000 Syrian refugees and the US has accepted 85,000.

On top of that Canada has an overall Muslim population that is 3.2% of the total while in the US that figure is 1%.

There has been no terrorist activities or gang rapes carried out by immigrant Muslims in Canada.

Maybe there are other factors?
Didn't I read about a shooting at Ten X Nightclub in Calgary that involved Muslims? Didn't the Toronto Sun report on a Muslim attacking military personal recently? And, didn't the Toronto Sun report on Islamic clerics using mosque sermons to attack the foundational principles of Western civilization and liberal secular democracy?
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Didn't I read about a shooting at Ten X Nightclub in Calgary that involved Muslims? Didn't the Toronto Sun report on a Muslim attacking military personal recently? And, didn't the Toronto Sun report on Islamic clerics using mosque sermons to attack the foundational principles of Western civilization and liberal secular democracy?
Not that long ago a Muslim attacked a Jewish Deli in Columbus, Ohio using a machete. There was a small Jewish Star on the front door and that could have been what set him off. In any case the Columbus Police Department shot him dead.
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Didn't I read about a shooting at Ten X Nightclub in Calgary that involved Muslims? Didn't the Toronto Sun report on a Muslim attacking military personal recently? And, didn't the Toronto Sun report on Islamic clerics using mosque sermons to attack the foundational principles of Western civilization and liberal secular democracy?
No, you didn't read about a terrorist attack at a Calgary night club unless you were reading a RW alternative facts site. That was gang violence by second generation Canadians.

The attack of military personnel was again by a second generation Canadian, not an immigrant.

And yes, we have an equivalent of the first amendment, but our libel laws and constraints on inflammatory speech are tougher than yours. Several Imams have been arrested for it.

There have been two attacks planned, both by native born Canadian citizens who were arrested before they could carry out the attacks. All three of them. I guess our secret service is better than yours too.

So we're talking four crazy people in a population of 35 million. Not bad.

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No, you didn't read about a terrorist attack at a Calgary night club unless you were reading a RW alternative facts site. That was gang violence by second generation Canadians.

The attack of military personnel was again by a second generation Canadian, not an immigrant.

And yes, we have an equivalent of the first amendment, but our libel laws and constraints on inflammatory speech are tougher than yours. Several Imams have been arrested for it.

There have been two attacks planned, both by native born Canadian citizens who were arrested before they could carry out the attacks. All three of them. I guess our secret service is better than yours too.

So we're talking four crazy people in a population of 35 million. Not bad.
So, your saying your own MSM is as corrupt as ours? Because, I could quote you a few other samples. Would they be wrong as well?
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So, your saying your own MSM is as corrupt as ours? Because, I could quote you a few other samples. Would they be wrong as well?
Wrong again. Or more accurately, wrong still. Our Sun media is worse than Fox News but maybe a bit better than Breitbart (that's being damned by faint praise).

What other sources do you have? I'd guess the same ilk.
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Wrong again. Or more accurately, wrong still. Our Sun media is worse than Fox News but maybe a bit better than Breitbart (that's being damned by faint praise).

What other sources do you have? I'd guess the same ilk.
Funny, with as much fake-news as there is in Canada, why do you comment on ours?
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