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Old March 19th, 2017, 04:48 AM   #1
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Defining Progressives

Let’s jump into defining a progressive as an individual, movement or Ideology. IT wants me to explain (Define) progressive and not enough drugs in the world could help me wrap my punkin around this insane idea.

Do I go with a Donna Brazile type style with her ties to CNN and the DNC with Mrs. Clinton forwarding the questions to the debate because the end game justifies the means? DNC Debbie Schultz as leading the movement?

Harry Reid? Burney Sanders? Mr Schumer? Mrs Pelosi? Mrs Boxer? Unhinged Maxine Waters? Linda Sarsour?

Should I see Europe’s ideology as the model of being a progressive? France and Germany leading the way while it is on fire?

Should I go the route of the Black Caucus progressive thinking? Open Borders? LGBT?

No, Progressives have a nasty habit of creating class warfare and victimhood, pitting citizen against citizen and non-citizen. I decided to have fun with this thread and simply point out the hypocrites on a case by case basis.


Looking forward to the fine members on this forum to respond knowing that if I could put all of you in one room I would get many different definitions on what is a progressive.



adjective
1.
favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, asopposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:
a progressive mayor.
2.
making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocatingmore enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.:
a progressive community.
3.
characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

OR?

Progressivism is a philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society.

[1] Figures of the Enlightenment believed that progress had universal application to all societies and that these ideas would spread across the world from Europe.[1]Sociologist Robert Nisbet defines five "crucial premises" of the Idea of Progress as being: value of the past; nobility of Western civilization; worth of economic/technological growth; scientific/scholarly knowledge obtained through reason over faith; the intrinsic importance and worth of life on Earth.[2] Beyond this, the meanings of progressivism have varied over time and from different perspectives.

The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.[3]

The term is also now often used as shorthand for a more or less left-wing way of looking at the world.[4]

OR?

A term that former liberals co-opted when they discovered that their delusional beliefs didn't fit any recognized definition of the word liberal.

These fools frequently feel better by projecting their failures onto their opponents.

A "Progressive" is identified by the following behaviors/beliefs:

- Knows what is best for everybody else
- Claims to be well-informed even though they get their news/talking points from the Daily KOS and/or MSNBC
- Believes that personal wealth is evil yet they fawn over wealthy celebrities and limousine liberals
- Believes corporations and profit are evil, and will tweet about this 24/7 on their iPad
- Thinks name-calling and demonizing opponents is the same as debate
- Accuses every person with a dissenting view of being a racist
- Supported Occupy Wall Street from the comfort of their living room, not the rape tent
- Drives a Prius with a COEXIST bumper sticker
- Believes in the rights of everyone, except those who disagree
- Thinks the Constitution is flawed because they can't control all 3 branches of government
- Believes YOUR success could only have come at THEIR expense
- Believes Al Gore is right about global warming, even though his carbon footprint 100X of the average person
- Thinks voter identification is racist, because it discriminates against dead people

OR?

Today, progressivism is not as easily definable as the ideas of the so-called Progressive Era of TR and Wilson. Nonetheless, the progressive movement's leaders, young and established alike, certainly have something to say about what "progressive" means to them.

"At its core," John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress writes, "progressivism is a non-ideological, pragmatic system of thought grounded in solving problems and maintaining strong values within society." Progressivism is practical and driven by the values that define America morality and have made our country stronger and better. It's a dynamic concept giving the leadership of an up-and-coming generation of politicos - you - the tools to make this nation's future brighter for all.

It's not liberalism

The first key to understanding progressivism is that it's not the same as liberalism, as many might assume. "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics," Halpin said in an interview with Campus Progress. "It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept ... that accepts the world as dynamic." Progressivism is not an ideology at all, but an attitude towards the world of politics that is far less black-and-white than conservatism or liberalism, breaking free from the false and divisive dichotomy of liberal vs. conservative that has dominated American politics for too long.

Said simply (perhaps oversimplifying), American liberalism is an ideology grounded in traditionally liberal American values: individual freedom, democratic government, freedom of thought and belief, and equal opportunity. Government intervention is generally seen as the solution to society's problem.

Progressivism, on the other hand, is far more flexible than any one ideology. Traditionally, conservatives see the world, especially human nature, as predictable and static. Liberals are often burdened with endless optimism - a belief that all problems can be solved through implementing utopian visions (especially through government intervention).

Progressives aren't simply liberals; progressives see the world for what it is, accept it as ever-changing and dynamic, and choose the best course of action in line with decidedly American values.



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Let’s jump into defining a progressive as an individual, movement or Ideology. IT wants me to explain (Define) progressive and not enough drugs in the world could help me wrap my punkin around this insane idea.

Do I go with a Donna Brazile type style with her ties to CNN and the DNC with Mrs. Clinton forwarding the questions to the debate because the end game justifies the means? DNC Debbie Schultz as leading the movement?

Harry Reid? Burney Sanders? Mr Schumer? Mrs Pelosi? Mrs Boxer? Unhinged Maxine Waters? Linda Sarsour?

Should I see Europe’s ideology as the model of being a progressive? France and Germany leading the way while it is on fire?

Should I go the route of the Black Caucus progressive thinking? Open Borders? LGBT?

No, Progressives have a nasty habit of creating class warfare and victimhood, pitting citizen against citizen and non-citizen. I decided to have fun with this thread and simply point out the hypocrites on a case by case basis.


Looking forward to the fine members on this forum to respond knowing that if I could put all of you in one room I would get many different definitions on what is a progressive.



adjective
1.
favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, asopposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:
a progressive mayor.
2.
making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocatingmore enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.:
a progressive community.
3.
characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

OR?

Progressivism is a philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society.

[1] Figures of the Enlightenment believed that progress had universal application to all societies and that these ideas would spread across the world from Europe.[1]Sociologist Robert Nisbet defines five "crucial premises" of the Idea of Progress as being: value of the past; nobility of Western civilization; worth of economic/technological growth; scientific/scholarly knowledge obtained through reason over faith; the intrinsic importance and worth of life on Earth.[2] Beyond this, the meanings of progressivism have varied over time and from different perspectives.

The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.[3]

The term is also now often used as shorthand for a more or less left-wing way of looking at the world.[4]

OR?

A term that former liberals co-opted when they discovered that their delusional beliefs didn't fit any recognized definition of the word liberal.

These fools frequently feel better by projecting their failures onto their opponents.

A "Progressive" is identified by the following behaviors/beliefs:

- Knows what is best for everybody else
- Claims to be well-informed even though they get their news/talking points from the Daily KOS and/or MSNBC
- Believes that personal wealth is evil yet they fawn over wealthy celebrities and limousine liberals
- Believes corporations and profit are evil, and will tweet about this 24/7 on their iPad
- Thinks name-calling and demonizing opponents is the same as debate
- Accuses every person with a dissenting view of being a racist
- Supported Occupy Wall Street from the comfort of their living room, not the rape tent
- Drives a Prius with a COEXIST bumper sticker
- Believes in the rights of everyone, except those who disagree
- Thinks the Constitution is flawed because they can't control all 3 branches of government
- Believes YOUR success could only have come at THEIR expense
- Believes Al Gore is right about global warming, even though his carbon footprint 100X of the average person
- Thinks voter identification is racist, because it discriminates against dead people

OR?

Today, progressivism is not as easily definable as the ideas of the so-called Progressive Era of TR and Wilson. Nonetheless, the progressive movement's leaders, young and established alike, certainly have something to say about what "progressive" means to them.

"At its core," John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress writes, "progressivism is a non-ideological, pragmatic system of thought grounded in solving problems and maintaining strong values within society." Progressivism is practical and driven by the values that define America morality and have made our country stronger and better. It's a dynamic concept giving the leadership of an up-and-coming generation of politicos - you - the tools to make this nation's future brighter for all.

It's not liberalism

The first key to understanding progressivism is that it's not the same as liberalism, as many might assume. "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics," Halpin said in an interview with Campus Progress. "It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept ... that accepts the world as dynamic." Progressivism is not an ideology at all, but an attitude towards the world of politics that is far less black-and-white than conservatism or liberalism, breaking free from the false and divisive dichotomy of liberal vs. conservative that has dominated American politics for too long.

Said simply (perhaps oversimplifying), American liberalism is an ideology grounded in traditionally liberal American values: individual freedom, democratic government, freedom of thought and belief, and equal opportunity. Government intervention is generally seen as the solution to society's problem.

Progressivism, on the other hand, is far more flexible than any one ideology. Traditionally, conservatives see the world, especially human nature, as predictable and static. Liberals are often burdened with endless optimism - a belief that all problems can be solved through implementing utopian visions (especially through government intervention).

Progressives aren't simply liberals; progressives see the world for what it is, accept it as ever-changing and dynamic, and choose the best course of action in line with decidedly American values.


Nice post and after reading think I can crack the progressive nutshell, based solely on your writing.

Progressive = Pragmatist

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Let’s jump into defining a progressive as an individual, movement or Ideology. IT wants me to explain (Define) progressive and not enough drugs in the world could help me wrap my punkin around this insane idea.

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The picture really undid your otherwise good effort.
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The picture really undid your otherwise good effort.
Good morning IT, care now to share this awakening and the relationship with progressives, Liberals and Democrats and the path to victory, whatever that is?

I am very interested in this with the current elected officials and bureaucrats from your team. You do have a team?

I voted for Mr Trump to kick both the Democrats and Republicans in the nuts and grab the world by the pussy, so far I am getting my money's worth. The power needs to be given back to the citizen and States, climbing into the Fed womb and whoring this nation out is no answer.

Both the republicans and democrats have fucked a nation in less than 250 years but you would never know it by reading this forum.

I enjoy this Fuck Mr Trump fest echo room, the fine members here do a wonderful job and I plan on engaging the hurt feelings. I am a yuuuuuuuge fan of 1A.

How many laws does it take to govern this awakening? Right now our own government can not quantify how many laws and regulations on the books that directly and indirectly effect day to day living of any given citizen.

Are you for wealth redistribution? Class status? AA? Our current education structure to include higher learning? Our current tax structure. EPA and all the alphabet agencies creating law and doing business as usual? Whats your opinion on payroll taxes? Big Pharma? Healthcare? Open borders? Public unions?

What I can gather is progressives want it all to be under the fed umbrella.

Look forward to your response and wisdom.
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Good morning IT, care now to share this awakening and the relationship with progressives, Liberals and Democrats and the path to victory, whatever that is?

I am very interested in this with the current elected officials and bureaucrats from your team. You do have a team?

I voted for Mr Trump to kick both the Democrats and Republicans in the nuts and grab the world by the pussy, so far I am getting my money's worth. The power needs to be given back to the citizen and States, climbing into the Fed womb and whoring this nation out is no answer.

Both the republicans and democrats have fucked a nation in less than 250 years but you would never know it by reading this forum.

I enjoy this Fuck Mr Trump fest echo room, the fine members here do a wonderful job and I plan on engaging the hurt feelings. I am a yuuuuuuuge fan of 1A.

How many laws does it take to govern this awakening? Right now our own government can not quantify how many laws and regulations on the books that directly and indirectly effect day to day living of any given citizen.

Are you for wealth redistribution? Class status? AA? Our current education structure to include higher learning? Our current tax structure. EPA and all the alphabet agencies creating law and doing business as usual? Whats your opinion on payroll taxes? Big Pharma? Healthcare? Open borders? Public unions?

What I can gather is progressives want it all to be under the fed umbrella.

Look forward to your response and wisdom.
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Good morning IT, care now to share this awakening and the relationship with progressives, Liberals and Democrats and the path to victory, whatever that is?

I am very interested in this with the current elected officials and bureaucrats from your team. You do have a team?

I voted for Mr Trump to kick both the Democrats and Republicans in the nuts and grab the world by the pussy, so far I am getting my money's worth. The power needs to be given back to the citizen and States, climbing into the Fed womb and whoring this nation out is no answer.

Both the republicans and democrats have fucked a nation in less than 250 years but you would never know it by reading this forum.

I enjoy this Fuck Mr Trump fest echo room, the fine members here do a wonderful job and I plan on engaging the hurt feelings. I am a yuuuuuuuge fan of 1A.

How many laws does it take to govern this awakening? Right now our own government can not quantify how many laws and regulations on the books that directly and indirectly effect day to day living of any given citizen.

Are you for wealth redistribution? Class status? AA? Our current education structure to include higher learning? Our current tax structure. EPA and all the alphabet agencies creating law and doing business as usual? Whats your opinion on payroll taxes? Big Pharma? Healthcare? Open borders? Public unions?

What I can gather is progressives want it all to be under the fed umbrella.

Look forward to your response and wisdom.
Dude, you're pretty much a brainless whiner, simply repeating as many RW memes and bumper-sticker points as your little brain can remember in one post. Irrelevant ranting. *shrug*
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Dude, you're pretty much a brainless whiner, simply repeating as many RW memes and bumper-sticker points as your little brain can remember in one post. Irrelevant ranting. *shrug*
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