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Old May 11th, 2017, 09:20 AM   #31
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What is a "shit job?"
I worked as a roughneck once for 3 days. I can tell you that THAT is a shit job. I don't how much they pay, and it paid well.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 10:22 AM   #32
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What is a "shit job?"
Moderating an internet forum.
OK, well what's another one??
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Old May 11th, 2017, 10:25 AM   #33
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I worked as a roughneck once for 3 days. I can tell you that THAT is a shit job. I don't how much they pay, and it paid well.
My point is that "shit jobs" are vital to the product/service.

For instance, a dishwasher is a shit job only if you don't mind eating off of dirty dishes.
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I see that none of the usual suspects who patriot the "fair wage" meme have taken the time to educate the lowly RWNJs on this enlightened economic theory.


That is unfortunate.
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Old May 13th, 2017, 03:46 AM   #35
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Why exclude managers? wouldn't "the work" include coordinating the workers and hiring and firing and all the other things managers do? And what about investors? If a company needs 20,000 dollars to expand, and they do not have the collateral to get a bank loan, but investors believe in the company enough to invest, then shouldn't the investors receive some of the profits?
Yes - aimless and destructive 'work', like holding wages down. If we need banks, we are not free.
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When you eliminate all the companies by doing this, who are the people going to work for? Where will they buy food?
Themselves - those who produce food will produce enough for those who do the other necessary things. Think of the enormous saving of time and lives if we get rid of the current insane system.
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Themselves - those who produce food will produce enough for those who do the other necessary things.
Sounds like free enterprise. Who is going to produce food for those who don't produce any necessary things?

If those who produced food supplied food to both, it would require force and the motive for them to produce anything would be reduced in proportion to how much of their food was confiscated to feed the non-producers.

So to sum up my position, a system is needed in which those who produce the most that is in demand are rewarded the most and those who do not produce anything, only consume, are not rewarded. I'm not claiming that the current Republican Party system accomplishes that and the Democratic does not even pretend to espouse such an ideology.

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Sounds like free enterprise. Who is going to produce food for those who don't produce any necessary things?

If those who produced food supplied food to both, it would require force and the motive for them to produce anything would be reduced in proportion to how much of their food was confiscated to feed the non-producers.

So to sum up my position, a system is needed in which those who produce the most that is in demand are rewarded the most and those who do not produce anything, only consume, are not rewarded. I'm not claiming that the current Republican Party system accomplishes that and the Democratic does not even pretend to espouse such an ideology.
Decent, normal, democratic people are going to do the necessary work - three or four hours a day - to see everyone has enough. You against that? Why?
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Decent, normal, democratic people are going to do the necessary work - three or four hours a day - to see everyone has enough. You against that? Why?
I'm not against that, but most people aren't decent and will sit back and let the decent carry the load. It's human nature. There has to be incentives to work and that incentive is to keep what you earn and trade freely with others.
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Fair pay is, initially, all the profits made by a company shared out equally by those who do the work and excluding managers. Later it will be 'to each according to his/her need'.


There ARE very successful business models that utilize your exact statement. Costco comes to mind. Southwest. Google. Ebay. Facebook. Trader Joes. Apple. Microsoft....to name a few.

My uncle started with Tandy Corp decades ago when Tandy was an up-start. Charles Tandy didn't have the profits to pay out in cash so he offered employees Tandy stock. Decades later my uncle became Tandy CEO and Radio Shack became a household name. Uncle Bill was an extremely wealthy man.
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