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Old September 17th, 2017, 03:45 PM   #11
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The only positive that it has to society is that it is sterilizing them.
Bingo. The end result reveals the original intention.

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Old September 17th, 2017, 03:50 PM   #12
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It "goes to the heart" of the argument if you are on the same side as the pointless, biased, baiting meaningless article and story.

If you are not on the same side it is nothing more than one anecdotal incident out of thousands of cases.
I like how you use the word "argument" in your post but fail to make one.


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There IS no argument.

The original post included an article about an anecdotal incident and the original poster tried to make it indicative of the thousands of cases that exist in the U.S.

It's an absurd hypothesis and not a basis for an argument.

It's baiting and a basis for getting people angry - but not for any kind of legitimate argument.

My former post was spot on point. And I stand by it.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 04:16 PM   #14
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An anecdotal story of ONE transgendered kid out of how many known thousands?

Pointless, biased, baiting, meaningless article and story.
entirely true

consider, if i posted a story about a child who started transitioning and changing gender at age 12, and it was completely successful and they were very happy with the end result, would that be proof that gender reassignment is good? of course not, critics would say "thats just one instance, one case doesnt make an argument".
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Old September 17th, 2017, 04:42 PM   #15
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There IS no argument.

The original post included an article about an anecdotal incident and the original poster tried to make it indicative of the thousands of cases that exist in the U.S.

It's an absurd hypothesis and not a basis for an argument.

It's baiting and a basis for getting people angry - but not for any kind of legitimate argument.

My former post was spot on point. And I stand by it.
I am saying that children should not be allowed to make these life changing decisions. Thru propaganda, shitty doctors and shitty parenting this kid was given drugs in an attempt to start his "transformation" and then surprise. He/she/zir was just a confused 12yo.



The brains of teenage kids are all fucked up w/ hormones and the imagination of children.
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After heeding advice from professionals who suggested that it was right choice, his mother was fully supportive and Mitchell began to transition.

He grew out his hair and started to take the hormones, which caused his body to grow breasts. But two years on, Mitchell had a change of heart.

In the beginning of 2017, teachers at school began to refer to him as a girl which triggered Mitchell to question if he had made the right decision.

I began to realise I was actually comfortable in my body. Every day I just felt better,
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Funny. No mention of the dad in this story.
in this particular instance, i wonder if its a single mother, who always said out loud to her friends and family that she had always wanted a daughter. so her son got the idea in his head that he could become her daughter.

this is speculation with no evidence whatsoever.
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entirely true

consider, if i posted a story about a child who started transitioning and changing gender at age 12, and it was completely successful and they were very happy with the end result, would that be proof that gender reassignment is good? of course not, critics would say "thats just one instance, one case doesnt make an argument".
Anecdotal?


How long have we as a society been experimenting on children w/ these mental disorders?

How many of these children have successfully grown into functioning adults?


What is the success rate including suicides and going back to their biological gender?

Why do you guys have laws that say that hormone treatment cannot start untill after the age of 16 w/ parental consent?


This "parent" illegally gave her kid treatment and now he/she wants to chop her tits off?

What about that reality star kid that started the treatment so early that they have to take part of her ass to make her girl parts because they are not mature enough for the surgery?

These are very serious choices that these kids are making. And allowing them to be irreversible should not be taken lightly.


There are tons of transtrenders in my kids schools many that in the last few years I have known by a number of names. None who have taken irreversible steps and many who have gone back to their biological sex.




I say let the kids play dress up, I don't even see any great harm entertaining their delusions. But to allow them the responsibility to make these life changing decisions when we don't trust them w/ a credit card, a gun, beer, tobacco or to vote is ridiculous IMO.
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Anecdotal?
thats what a single story about an individual is, an anecdote. the plural of anecdote is not data

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How long have we as a society been experimenting on children w/ these mental disorders?
not long. not long enough to say with confidence we never make mistakes. but long enough to say with confidence the concept of transgendered people happens, and denying it is ignoring reality.

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How many of these children have successfully grown into functioning adults?
neither of us can answer this specifically, but the answer is "a large number"

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What is the success rate including suicides and going back to their biological gender?
both are very low. exact numbers are unknown because both transgenderism and suicide are rare, and its very hard to do definitive research into rare events.

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Why do you guys have laws that say that hormone treatment cannot start untill after the age of 16 w/ parental consent?
because its stupid to do irreversible things to confused hormonal teenagers, you said this yourself.

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This "parent" illegally gave her kid treatment and now he/she wants to chop her tits off?
unnecessarily crude, and also you dont know thats how it happened, you dont know the comlexities and timeline of events, you only know what was reported in one brief article.

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What about that reality star kid that started the treatment so early that they have to take part of her ass to make her girl parts because they are not mature enough for the surgery?
thats idiotic.

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These are very serious choices that these kids are making. And allowing them to be irreversible should not be taken lightly.
i entirely agree. so do the vast majority of people including the vast majority of medical people working in the field.

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There are tons of transtrenders in my kids schools many that in the last few years I have known by a number of names. None who have taken irreversible steps and many who have gone back to their biological sex.
then that was handled sensibly. see, the exceptions you draw our attention to are not the rule. your own experience tells you this.

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I say let the kids play dress up, I don't even see any great harm entertaining their delusions. But to allow them the responsibility to make these life changing decisions when we don't trust them w/ a credit card, a gun, beer, tobacco or to vote is ridiculous IMO.
i agree too. so do most people. i dont see anyone on this board, or hear any mainstream medical association disagreeing. anyone who tries to perform irreversible interventions on children is defying the overwhelming majority and breaking all the rules.

you are finding fine print, rare examples of idiots making mistakes or criminals acting in defiance of the law, and trying to make that look like the norm. we arent falling for it.
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thats what a single story about an individual is, an anecdote. the plural of anecdote is not data


not long. not long enough to say with confidence we never make mistakes. but long enough to say with confidence the concept of transgendered people happens, and denying it is ignoring reality.


neither of us can answer this specifically, but the answer is "a large number"


both are very low. exact numbers are unknown because both transgenderism and suicide are rare, and its very hard to do definitive research into rare events.


because its stupid to do irreversible things to confused hormonal teenagers, you said this yourself.


unnecessarily crude, and also you dont know thats how it happened, you dont know the comlexities and timeline of events, you only know what was reported in one brief article.


thats idiotic.


i entirely agree. so do the vast majority of people including the vast majority of medical people working in the field.


then that was handled sensibly. see, the exceptions you draw our attention to are not the rule. your own experience tells you this.


i agree too. so do most people. i dont see anyone on this board, or hear any mainstream medical association disagreeing. anyone who tries to perform irreversible interventions on children is defying the overwhelming majority and breaking all the rules.

you are finding fine print, rare examples of idiots making mistakes or criminals acting in defiance of the law, and trying to make that look like the norm. we arent falling for it.


I assumed that you would have watched the news story about this since it is from your nation and in your general field. I will find it later of you want. I don't have time for it right now. The family (mother and child) have moved to England for a fresh start. The mother admits in an interview to supplying him/her w/ the drugs and they are getting surgery to have the breasts removed. The "dr" is also interviewed. I did not post the story cuz people don't watch videos but they do from time to time read blurbs. Also the reality star (jasmine I think) is having that disgusting surgery because the hormones were given to early.

Yes, there are people who are infavor of doing this to children. That is the point of this thread.


None of this is "the norm" that is the point.
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