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Old February 12th, 2018, 04:04 PM   #51
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Removing a book from a student's required reading list is most certainly not the same thing as banning a book. By far. Or even censuring one, for that matter.

Indeed, the students in question can still have access to and read said books in their entirety if they want to.



(And, I'd add, all this recent publicity about that act by that school district might result in the side effect of more students actually being interested in reading said books and finding out what this hubbub is all about...rather than those students feeling that they are forced to read said books.)


Canary in the coal mine.

I have kids in school now, in the state mentioned. It is why the books are being removed. For the use of the word nigger. This is ridiculous when some or the other literature in the readings cover very racy subjects (now i dont have there specific curriculum but i can get it but i know what is in our district) explicit sex, rape, slavery and kidnaping to name a few but they fit the narrative being pushed by the schools. Im not a prude nor do i censor anything from my kids so i personally was not bothered by this. Again, i am very involved in my kids education so i am aware but not everyone is.


My point is you are going to pull to kill a mockingbird because it uses the word nigger correct both contextually and time period because of feelings we are crossing a path that we need to watch very closely. We are witnessing another moral panic that if left unchecked will dwarf the one led by the fundamentalist Christians in the 80s and 90s.

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Canary in the coal mine.

I have kids in school now, in the state mentioned. It is why the books are being removed. For the use of the word nigger. This is ridiculous when some or the other literature in the readings cover very racy subjects (now i dont have there specific curriculum but i can get it but i know what is in our district) explicit sex, rape, slavery and kidnaping to name a few but they fit the narrative being pushed by the schools. Im not a prude nor do i censor anything from my kids so i personally was not bothered by this. Again, i am very involved in my kids education so i am aware but not everyone is.


My point is you are going to pull to kill a mockingbird because it uses the word nigger correct both contextually and time period because of feelings we are crossing a path that we need to watch very closely. We are witnessing another moral panic that if left unchecked will dwarf the one led by the fundamentalist Christians in the 80s and 90s.

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Yes like trying to removed the writings and successes of Jews from curriculum in 1930s..

Nothing like a good ol cleansing of the truth. which creates a lie.
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Every reference I've ever looked @ puts Fascism on the right of the political spectrum. Fascism typically defines itself as "anti-Marx, anti-Communism, anti-Liberal" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)

"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[5][6][7][4][8][9]

"Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state and technology. The advent of total war and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[10][11] The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.[10][11]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

What else is left for them to be for?
Then what you have been taught is incorrect Anarchy and Fascism are the Bridges between Left and Right... the political spectrum is circular Anarchy is 180 degrees opposite of Fascism (total lack of authority vs Total Authority).

Fascism can be left or right.

and if you look at what was Right wing in the 1930s vs Now.. you will notice that has become left wing

Progressive taxes, Limiting the power of the individual, putting power into the hands of the state was Right Wing in the 1930s.. Gun Control was right wing in the 1930s the right of the individual was superior to the right of the state was Right Wing in the 1930s

Today those are left wing Ideals.

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Yes like trying to removed the writings and successes of Jews from curriculum in 1930s..

Nothing like a good ol cleansing of the truth. which creates a lie.
I can see where you believe it is exactly the same....

Two school committees, out of the 70,452 school committees in the US, take a book off the required reading list.
It's pretty much Germany in the 30's...
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Then what you have been taught is incorrect Anarchy and Fascism are the Bridges between Left and Right... the political spectrum is circular Anarchy is 180 degrees opposite of Fascism (total lack of authority vs Total Authority).

Fascism can be left or right.

...
The Left-Right political spectrum I'm familiar with dates back to the French Revolution & the left-right bank of the Seine. I don't see any advantage to the matrix you mention - if it confuses radical Leftist & Rightest forces, it seem to be merely confusing - which is quite opposite the point. No thanks, I like the Forms furnishings as they are.

I read a fair amount of history & civics & government - they all seem to use the same setup.

My bad, it's actually the seating arrangements in the various French legislative bodies after the Revolution. That's the problem with memory ...

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You think the Biloxi Mississippi School Committee is the Authoritarian Left.
Mississippi...Minnesota....Yes, the spelling is very similar...NOT!!
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I can see where you believe it is exactly the same....

Two school committees, out of the 70,452 school committees in the US, take a book off the required reading list.
It's pretty much Germany in the 30's...
Other than actually burning the books...what's the difference?
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Other than actually burning the books...what's the difference?
Do you not understand the difference between taken a book(s) off the REQUIRED READING LIST and BANNING it?

That's a serious question on my part. If you really don't understand I'll take the time to explain it to you.
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Every reference I've ever looked @ puts Fascism on the right of the political spectrum. Fascism typically defines itself as "anti-Marx, anti-Communism, anti-Liberal" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)

"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[5][6][7][4][8][9]

"Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state and technology. The advent of total war and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[10][11] The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.[10][11]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

What else is left for them to be for?
Of course fascism is on the far right of the political spectrum.

But you're dealing with Trumpeteers here and alternative facts. They make up things and call them true because they say so.
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