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Old March 1st, 2018, 08:21 PM   #1
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The Arc of History

There are trends in history, we can get real near the trendline, and it might look like a random walk, but step back and it's a steady trend.

Like taxes, if you the last few years, taxes go up, taxes go down.
Step back and taxes go up, it's where we are headed, GUARANTEED!

More entitlements, going up, Oh they go up and down over the medium short term, but long term they go up.

Now you can call it communism, or socialism or liberalism, but it's not one party that is pushing things this way, it's the whole system.

Now, does this make anyone happy?
As a liberal, I'd like bigger better social programs.
And I'm going to get them, but slowly, over decades.

Now on the other side, conservatives have to know, that some day this country will adopt a National Health System, their purpose is to drag it out as long as possible, that for as long as possible, some people in America, will not be able to get healthcare they need.

We could see that with social trends too, it was pretty obvious that same sex marriage would be the law of the land, but some people had to do whatever they could to delay it, just like they are busy today, trying to delay trans rights.


And the rhetoric moves with the state of an issue.
At one time, the Democrats wanted Social Security, to play a relatively small supplemental role in senior incomes and the Republicans wanted outright repeal.

Now, Democrats would like a modest increase in benefits, Republicans would like a modest decrease in benefits. As the benefit level rises, it's never as much as the Democrats, it's always more than the Republicans want.
But the GOP doesn't talk repeal anymore, now it's locked benefits and gradual reduction.
In the long run the benefit level goes higher.

This happens here, it happens all over the world.
It's human nature.

So why fight it?
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 03:49 AM   #2
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AND there are REASONS for these trends: America's demographics.

Here are some stats:

*Millennials are the United States’ largest living generation.
*Our home and marriage lives are changing. Marriage has declined.
*Women accounted for 46.8% of the U.S. labor force. See "marriage."
*Immigrants are driving overall workforce growth in the U.S.
*Share of births outside of marriage has held steady.
*The ratio of children to older citizens is declining.
*The rise in longevity is shaping the scientific and pharma business.


AND there's plenty more to ponder, but this relates to the social services and healthcare.
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There are trends in history, we can get real near the trendline, and it might look like a random walk, but step back and it's a steady trend.

Like taxes, if you the last few years, taxes go up, taxes go down.
Step back and taxes go up, it's where we are headed, GUARANTEED!

More entitlements, going up, Oh they go up and down over the medium short term, but long term they go up.

Now you can call it communism, or socialism or liberalism, but it's not one party that is pushing things this way, it's the whole system.

Now, does this make anyone happy?
As a liberal, I'd like bigger better social programs.
And I'm going to get them, but slowly, over decades.

Now on the other side, conservatives have to know, that some day this country will adopt a National Health System, their purpose is to drag it out as long as possible, that for as long as possible, some people in America, will not be able to get healthcare they need.

We could see that with social trends too, it was pretty obvious that same sex marriage would be the law of the land, but some people had to do whatever they could to delay it, just like they are busy today, trying to delay trans rights.


And the rhetoric moves with the state of an issue.
At one time, the Democrats wanted Social Security, to play a relatively small supplemental role in senior incomes and the Republicans wanted outright repeal.

Now, Democrats would like a modest increase in benefits, Republicans would like a modest decrease in benefits. As the benefit level rises, it's never as much as the Democrats, it's always more than the Republicans want.
But the GOP doesn't talk repeal anymore, now it's locked benefits and gradual reduction.
In the long run the benefit level goes higher.

This happens here, it happens all over the world.
It's human nature.

So why fight it?
I met Harry Truman in his President Library in Independence when 12 years old. President Truman told me study History and I took that to the bank.
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 01:55 PM   #4
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AND there are REASONS for these trends: America's demographics.

Here are some stats:

*Millennials are the United States’ largest living generation.
*Our home and marriage lives are changing. Marriage has declined.
*Women accounted for 46.8% of the U.S. labor force. See "marriage."
*Immigrants are driving overall workforce growth in the U.S.
*Share of births outside of marriage has held steady.
*The ratio of children to older citizens is declining.
*The rise in longevity is shaping the scientific and pharma business.


AND there's plenty more to ponder, but this relates to the social services and healthcare.
The main reason is, this is a modern country, it's not an 18th century farming nation, it's an urbanized industrial nation with a capitalist economy. Families get ripped apart in modern nations, you have to find work, that could take you across the country, and that work could disappear on short notice.
For the economy to grow, we need a healthy, educated work force.
It used to be that companies trained their work forces, you'd get hired it might be weeks or months before you'd actually do your job, you'd get trained first, and get paid while you trained.
That doesn't happen anymore, the company needs someone, they advertise for that set of skills, if you have those skills, great, if not, keep looking.

Health care works better than ever, they can cure disease, fix conditions that used to be lifelong handicaps, it's great, it's expensive, but everyone needs it, it's the ideal thing for the government to supply, everyone needs it, and it costs too much for a lot of people to afford.

And the fact is the government is a large insurance company, with a military.
It can do insurance better than commercial insurance companies for things like pensions and health care. And it should expand those roles.
It will, because it will be forced to do so. In the mean time, between now and the inevitable future, the right will try to slow everything down, so we can get in a few more school shootings before they take the guns away, so we can have a few million people go untreated, before we get national health.
So we can have more senior citizens living in miserable poverty, before we implement a universal safety net.
Because that is their function
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One of senior "statesmen" doesn't seem to care for ACA. IN fact, just recently, Orin Hatch said this: "supporters of Obamacare are the stupidest, dumbass people".....but hey....

Muh..... Hillary....Deplorables.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/polit...nts/index.html
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One of senior "statesmen" doesn't seem to care for ACA. IN fact, just recently, Orin Hatch said this: "supporters of Obamacare are the stupidest, dumbass people".....but hey....

Muh..... Hillary....Deplorables.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/polit...nts/index.html
He's almost right, ObamaCare is a small improvement over what we had, but it's not the National Health Service that we will get , after some obligatory suffering required by the right....
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