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Old March 28th, 2018, 11:32 AM   #41
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Can you hear them? I can. They are off in the distance. Not very loud. You got to listen close. I can here the cadence though. Its not all of them, just a few. Drums that have not been heard since 1861. I can just faintly start to make them out though.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 11:38 AM   #42
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Nope. I have always pointed out the term “regulated militia” because the Right is always conveniently ignoring that part in discussions. It was included into the Amendment for a reason. Stevens merely discusses the logical interpretation of that same point.
Sure camel, sure. That's the same thing

In other words you just parrot whatever is the current constitutional attack. It is why you struggle to use your own words and/or fall silent when an opposing point is presented.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 11:40 AM   #43
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[QUOTE=Camelot;1155063]Regulation is not confiscation. Quit being so hysterical.[/QUOTE

Nothing about my post was Hysterical. I hear an awful lot about regulation, what do you have in mind. Oh an keep in mind anything that gives criminals an advantage is dead upon arrival. I will also choose a line from the pro abortion crowd, " if you do not want a gun do not buy one "
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Sure camel, sure. That's the same thing

In other words you just parrot whatever is the current constitutional attack. It is why you struggle to use your own words and/or fall silent when an opposing point is presented.
Dude, the words "a well regulated militia..." are part of the 2nd Amendment. How is correcting quoting a Constitutional Amendment "attacking it?" That makes no sense.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 12:14 PM   #45
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Regulation is not confiscation. Quit being so hysterical.[/QUOTE

Nothing about my post was Hysterical. I hear an awful lot about regulation, what do you have in mind. Oh an keep in mind anything that gives criminals an advantage is dead upon arrival. I will also choose a line from the pro abortion crowd, " if you do not want a gun do not buy one "
Read the posts in this thread and others. Many forms of regulation have been suggested and discussed. Including...

More consistent efforts to keep firearms out of the hands of convicted criminals and the mentally ill.

Waiting periods for certain firearms in areas where it is not already the law.

Stricterlaws so far a securing firearms in the home, keeping them away from children, making them harder to steal.

Banning or restricting such things as large capacity magazines, bump-stocks, etc.

Lots of things, read.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 01:03 PM   #46
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This is the militia according to the law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

In short, according to
U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 12 › § 246

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

Every one is a member of a militia rather it is organized or not.
Geez, you sure do a lousy job of interpretation. Here, allow an undisciplined Chief Justice of the Supreme Court explain it to a scholar like you;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eya_k4P-iEo
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Old March 28th, 2018, 01:41 PM   #47
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This is the militia according to the law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

In short, according to
U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 12 › § 246

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

Every one is a member of a militia rather it is organized or not.
Yes but.....

The Amendment refers specifically to a well regulated Militia. Thus, arguably, it protects the right to arms only to those in a well regulated Militia.

It arguably doesn't apply to anyone else.

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Well, it's the end result, really.

They ought to just pass an Amendment that nullifies all previous Amendments. Get it all done and over with at once.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 01:46 PM   #49
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I see very little chance of the second being overturned, it would be wrong to do so. The criminal element in this country will always find a way to circumvent gun laws which would put law abiding citizens at more risk. Has anyone thought of that sorry of course you have, even the people who want to abolish the 2nd, what say you, what do law abiding citizens do then.
Heller v DC will be what stands for the forseeable future. The fact that the majority opinion was handed down by the conservative members of the court, and recently upheld against three different challenges to it, and the court refused to hear all three cases, and let lower court rulings stand, sends a very loud and clear signal that the court is not interested in revisiting any cases involving second amendment issues.

An individual has the right to keep a firearm in the home for self defense.

Most rifles and shotguns used for hunting, are protected under the ruling.

States that allow for open or concealed carrying of firearms remains intact.

States that choose to prohibit purchase or possession of certain firearms have the power to do so under the ruling.

States that prohibit the carrying of firearms either openly or concealed, have the power to do so under the ruling.

States that prohibit the carrying of firearms in specific venues, have the power to do so under the ruling.

That's the law of the land at the federal level, whether you like it or not, no matter which side you are on.
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Yes but.....

The Amendment refers specifically to a well regulated Militia. Thus, arguably, it protects the right to arms only to those in a well regulated Militia.

It arguably doesn't apply to anyone else.


Sure. But this "well regulated militia" is to exist outside of the reach of the state therefore it is not in the power of the state to define what a "well regulated militia" is. The argument is moot.
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