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Old March 28th, 2018, 01:51 PM   #51
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Well, it's the end result, really.

They ought to just pass an Amendment that nullifies all previous Amendments. Get it all done and over with at once.
If that's the object, starting with the 2nd is probably a good place to begin.


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.

-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.

-- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the Atmosphere.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 1787

& what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?

-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788

"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun."

-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788

Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.

-- "M.T. Cicero", in a newspaper letter of 1788 touching the "militia"
referred to in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...

-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
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Old March 28th, 2018, 02:14 PM   #52
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I agree entirely. And these ingrates don't even realize they're cheering on their own demise.
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I agree entirely. And these ingrates don't even realize they're cheering on their own demise.
Yeah. When those M1Abrams come rolling down the street, with the Apache, and Cobra gunships with 2 inch, and Hellfire missiles, complete with 20MM chainguns, hovering in the background, we'll show those big gubmint people who's boss with our AR 15 rifles. We'll take our gubmint back in no time. We've been practicin' on paper targets in the back yard, and practicin' our militia type drills every weekend.
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Yeah. When those M1Abrams come rolling down the street, with the Apache, and Cobra gunships with 2 inch, and Hellfire missiles, complete with 20MM chainguns, hovering in the background, we'll show those big gubmint people who's boss with our AR 15 rifles. We'll take our gubmint back in no time. We've been practicin' on paper targets in the back yard, and practicin' our militia type drills every weekend.
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Well, it's the end result, really.

They ought to just pass an Amendment that nullifies all previous Amendments. Get it all done and over with at once.
Oh stop being such a Drama Queen.
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Nope, as Stevens said, for 200 years there has never been any doubt about the Constitutionality of regulating fire arms in this country. A well regulated militia means just that. It would be perfectly constitutional to ban assault rifles.
Please clarify. Assault rifles and semi automatics to be banned or the 2nd amendment should be done away with?
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Sure. But this "well regulated militia" is to exist outside of the reach of the state therefore it is not in the power of the state to define what a "well regulated militia" is. The argument is moot.
Uh dude, that would make it an "an armed mob' and not militia in ANY form.
Fucking DUUUUH...
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Uh dude, that would make it an "an armed mob' and not militia in ANY form.
Fucking DUUUUH...
No matter what they are, they will be squashed like bugs very quickly.
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Yeah. When those M1Abrams come rolling down the street, with the Apache, and Cobra gunships with 2 inch, and Hellfire missiles, complete with 20MM chainguns, hovering in the background, we'll show those big gubmint people who's boss with our AR 15 rifles. We'll take our gubmint back in no time. We've been practicin' on paper targets in the back yard, and practicin' our militia type drills every weekend.
The only possible use for AR-15's and sidearms would be for political assassinations, ambushing small isolated police/Army patrols to obtain better weapons raids on armories and weapons depots and of course terrorist operations.
One thing learned from the ME conflicts is that it is not necessary to defeat the Army, just spread enough chaos, terror, etc. among the civilian population as to make it impossible for the government to govern effectively and panic the civilian population to the point they cannot resist the political pressure to settle the conflict.
It's a joke to think lightly armed civilians could match a professional Army in open armed conflict.
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Uh dude, that would make it an "an armed mob' and not militia in ANY form.
Fucking DUUUUH...
Nope; not only are they not mutually exclusive, they're literally the same thing.
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