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Old April 25th, 2018, 06:35 AM   #11
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If it's like Charlie Gard's case, there are medical conditions that we can barely diagnose, & can't treat yet. There is research ongoing to try to treat the cases like Gard's, but treatment is going to be experimental for some time - because the disease is rare.

& treatment will apparently be fairly exotic - gene-engineering & implanting corrected genes & gradually (?) or rapidly (?) replacing the defective genes. Early diagnosis is the key there, if I understand that correctly. & to get an early diagnosis, they'll probably have to take tissue samples of the potential parents (?) & run DNA scans on likely pairings.

Lots of messy ethical & legal questions to address there, & that's before we ever get to the treatment part itself.
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Pope told the Vatican has no influence in British Court

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Judge slams 'fanatical and deluded' legal adviser to Alfie Evans' parents who wants to launch private murder prosecution if the boy dies but 'doesn't have his best interests at heart'
Mr Justice Hayden slammed Pavel Stroilov, who works for Christian Legal Centre
Mr Stroilov believes Alfie's doctors should be prosecuted for murder if he dies
He wrote Middle East history 'devoid of scholarly analysis' and 'full of nonsense'
Parents' lawyer was told to 'confine himself to law' and avoid 'emotive nonsense'
Family's former lawyer says pro-life lobby are exploiting them and their son

CLC is part of Christian Concern, a religious campaign group, and handles religious discrimination cases in the UK.

It says its purpose is 'to defend Christians in the public sphere and to protect the freedom of Christians to live their lives in accordance with their Christian beliefs.'

Alfie's parents' barrister, Paul Diamond, had asked the judge to lift a court order stopping him leaving Alder Hey so he can travel to the Vatican's Bambino Gesu Pediatric Hospital for care because he is still breathing without a ventilator.

At the start of the ongoing hearing, Mr Diamond said: 'It's really an application for common humanity and common sense.'

Andrea Minichiello Williams, executive director of the Christian Legal Centre, has previously been criticised after she said at a conference in Jamaica that it was a 'big lie' that people were born gay and appeared to blame a lack of father figures +6
Andrea Minichiello Williams, executive director of the Christian Legal Centre, has previously been criticised after she said at a conference in Jamaica that it was a 'big lie' that people were born gay and appeared to blame a lack of father figures

But the judge interjected and told the lawyer to 'confine himself to the law' and avoid 'emotive nonsense', later adding: 'I don't need to be reminded we have a human being. You do not have the moral high ground in this court. It is treacherous terrain.'

The lawyer who previously represented the family, Mary Holmes from MSB Solicitors in Liverpool, claims that the family are being exploited by the pro-life movement in Britain and abroad.

She told The Times: 'These people I don't believe are in it because they love Alfie. When this case is over they'll move on to the next. Or they'll find some other cause they can ride on the back of. I just think they pick on the vulnerable and they are easy prey', adding they would 'keep this child alive at any cost and not for the right reasons'.

She added: 'It's getting them in the public eye — it's like, we've got involved, look what we've done, we've got an audience with the Pope.'

She said Tom Evans is a 'desperate young man, and Kate's [James] this desperate young woman' who would do anything and turn to anyone if they thought it could save Alfie.

CLC's executive director is Andrea Minichiello Williams, who reportedly has said it was a 'big lie' people are born gay and blamed the 'lack of the father' and 'sometimes a level of abuse' for it.

According to Buzzfeed she used British diving hero Tom Daley as an example of this saying he was 'loved by all the girls and had girlfriends' but had 'lost his father to cancer just a few years ago'.

CLC's top lawyer Roger Kiska said a friend of the family suggested that Tom Evans and Kate James contact them about supporting their son's case.

Their intervention was followed by a campaign from within the Catholic Church and high profile support by Pope Francis.

Mr Kiska, who also spoke out during the tragic case of Charlie Gard, has denied they are exploiting Alfie's case.

He told The Times: 'We believe that Alfie deserves a fighting chance. The parents have every reason to believe he can get treatment abroad', adding that Alfie's parents were 'fully aware' of CLC's views on various matters.

Andrea Minichiello Williams said: 'Alfie continues to fight for his life in an extraordinary way, as do his parents and our lawyers.'



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The problem, as always, is medical care for profit.
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Are you arguing just to argue?

No rational person could truly believe what you just posted!
So the suffering of the kid, and the waste of resources all to maintain a fantasy the parents wish to hold on to and the fundie menace try to pump up?

Yes, many people do truly believe that.
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The problem, as always, is medical care for profit.
I am not sure how that is a factor. The UK is not really under the umbrella of "medical care for profit" more of the needs of the many malarkey.

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Oh, i get it you are talking about other nations who are willing to attempt to save the kids life may make some money off of the deal... the horrors.


Damn greedy capitalists.
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So the suffering of the kid, and the waste of resources all to maintain a fantasy the parents wish to hold on to and the fundie menace try to pump up?

Yes, many people do truly believe that.
What gives the state the right to make this decision for the family?
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Reminder that (((seamanstains))) is a Yid. Disregard everything he says.

This child has been alive for nearly two days now without life support. Paul, you say that it's for profit, but the reason why this child is not being allowed to leave for treatment is because this hospital, and every hospital, is run by the British Government. What gives the Government to decide who lives, and who dies?
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Once again the ill informed and fundy christian nutters form and unholy alliance to cause more torment to an innocent child.Has this child not suffered enough without having his windpipe cut open and stitched up around a pipe then flown to a hospital in the vatican, the hospital has not seen the kid or his medical records.
The judge was fiercely critical of some of those close to Alfie’s parents. He described Pavel Stroilov, a Christian Legal Centre lawyer who has advised the family, as a “deluded and fanatical young man” who risked imprisonment for contempt of court with some of his legal advice. The court heard that Stroilov had advised Evans to pursue a private prosecution for murder against Alder Hey doctors.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ican-treatment
Could you please explain to me what is "uninformed" about my post?
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What gives the state the right to make this decision for the family?
The states responsibility is to protect citizens. No different than social services taking a baby from a crack whore.
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Socialized medicine has nothing to do with it.

It's a government over-reach problem and our culture that is indifferent to or allows it.

The problem is much bigger than Alfie, and has been ongoing for years.

https://medicalkidnap.com/
How does socialized medicine have nothing to do w/ it?

The kid is in a state run facility that the state will. Not let the family take him from to seek treatment elsewhere.
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