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Old June 3rd, 2018, 10:26 AM   #51
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Depends on the situation. Some people are physically incapable of working their way through school.

If they cannot work then how can they make it to classes?

They can work they DON'T WANT TO WORK. it will be hard on them.. poor snowflakes.
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"Back in your day", college was cheaper, much cheaper--and it is still trivial to attend with little to no debt. Also, debt is not even a bad thing whatsoever when used wisely--in fact, it is leverage. It becomes a problem when an extremely irresponsible and reckless person utilizes it.
You mean somebody like Donald Trump?
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If they cannot work then how can they make it to classes?

They can work they DON'T WANT TO WORK. it will be hard on them.. poor snowflakes.
You've never seen a disabled person in a wheelchair, I take it? I knew a student at Oklahoma State named Ray Murphy who was paralyzed from the neck down (from a wrestling injury) and got around campus on a motorized wheelchair with those "puffer controls" they have for quadriplegics.

Now I ask you...what JOB could Ray have done to work his way through school? Taxi driving? Delivering Pizzas? Slinging fries at McDonalds? Unloading bricks down at the brick factory? Does the fact that a person can't work anymore mean they should just sit around and vegetate? Or MAYBE...he could better himself by getting an education and doing something constructive with his time?

You seem like a nice enough guy, but you need to drop the rightwing platitudes. They are usually narrow minded and self serving, like our President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Murphy_Jr.
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pa·tri·arch·y
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noun
a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.
a society or community organized on patriarchal lines.
idk why you even bother Clara, these morons have no fucking clue.....
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idk why you even bother Clara, these morons have no fucking clue.....


It's one of my biggest faults, Lyzza. Stubborn. I just can't let things go.
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It used to be a common experience way back when....when higher education costs could be payed off with a summer job, and the only misgivings most of us plebes had about spending another 4 years in school was about time wasted....do we really need it (not so much back then!) and not how the hell are we going to pay for it.
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Going to an expensive University is a choice, not a necessity by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, some of the most needed, noble jobs require no 'fancy' degree, just a HS diploma (or equivalency) and some training or Associates degree. For instance, there is a high demand for welders, plumbers, and other trades--but, it is not considered "cool" to be a welder today. No, what is "cool" is going to a 'big' Uni., conforming to the max, losing all integrity and independence in the process, and then struggling to find an often 2nd rate job that is not very important to begin with. That is "cool" now. Moreover, University is (overwhelmingly) not even an efficient way of learning in the modern world compared to other avenues available.
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Going to an expensive University is a choice, not a necessity by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, some of the most needed, noble jobs require no 'fancy' degree, just a HS diploma (or equivalency) and some training or Associates degree. For instance, there is a high demand for welders, plumbers, and other trades--but, it is not considered "cool" to be a welder today. No, what is "cool" is going to a 'big' Uni., conforming to the max, losing all integrity and independence in the process, and then struggling to find an often 2nd rate job that is not very important to begin with. That is "cool" now. Moreover, University is (overwhelmingly) not even an efficient way of learning in the modern world compared to other avenues available.

Good point on not needing a fancy degree. Why spend an insane amount of money on a history degree from Harvard when you can get the same thing for 1/10th the money at a less prestigious school? However in some occupations degrees from certain schools do grant a big premium in RL. A guy starting his legal career with a law degree from Oklahoma State, for example, is probably not going to get the same money that a guy with a law degree from an Ivy school would get. It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

As you said a person doesn't need a degree to make good money. THEY DO NEED SKILLS THOUGH. And the high paying jobs that don't require a degree are rare, they aren't prevalent at all. I'd say the best a guy could do without a degree, monetarily, would be plumber, welder, and some communications jobs (assuming one isn't an artiste). I'm sure there are more out there

Regarding blue collar work, I've done lots of it. Also, I don't know anybody ashamed to do blue collar work because it's not "cool". Blue collar folks don't worry about being "cool" as much as they worry about paying the bills.
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Good point on not needing a fancy degree. Why spend an insane amount of money on a history degree from Harvard when you can get the same thing for 1/10th the money at a less prestigious school? However in some occupations degrees from certain schools do grant a big premium in RL. A guy starting his legal career with a law degree from Oklahoma State, for example, is probably not going to get the same money that a guy with a law degree from an Ivy school would get. It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

As you said a person doesn't need a degree to make good money. THEY DO NEED SKILLS THOUGH. And the high paying jobs that don't require a degree are rare, they aren't prevalent at all. I'd say the best a guy could do without a degree, monetarily, would be plumber, welder, and some communications jobs (assuming one isn't an artiste). I'm sure there are more out there

Regarding blue collar work, I've done lots of it. Also, I don't know anybody ashamed to do blue collar work because it's not "cool". Blue collar folks don't worry about being "cool" as much as they worry about paying the bills.
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Jobs in the $80,000+ range will often be out of reach without a certain type of college degree, unless one becomes a successful entrepreneur. Yet, blue collar jobs in the $60,000-$70,000s are easily accessible. Also, the option of investing in real estate, and finding other means of passive income are always on the table as well.

As for blue collar jobs not being perceived as 'cool', it is other peoples extremely skewed vision of the world that I take issue with. Many of the college kids are standardly learning how not to have respect for anything, including themselves and others. Not exactly a solid foundation for the 'good life'.
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You've never seen a disabled person in a wheelchair, I take it? I knew a student at Oklahoma State named Ray Murphy who was paralyzed from the neck down (from a wrestling injury) and got around campus on a motorized wheelchair with those "puffer controls" they have for quadriplegics.

Now I ask you...what JOB could Ray have done to work his way through school? Taxi driving? Delivering Pizzas? Slinging fries at McDonalds? Unloading bricks down at the brick factory? Does the fact that a person can't work anymore mean they should just sit around and vegetate? Or MAYBE...he could better himself by getting an education and doing something constructive with his time?

You seem like a nice enough guy, but you need to drop the rightwing platitudes. They are usually narrow minded and self serving, like our President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Murphy_Jr.
It's the church brainwashing! He belongs to one of those prosperity denominations where Jesus preached 'rob the poor to feed the rich....or I mean the job creators.'
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My god - a privileged existence and you either don't know it or won't admit it.

I can't discuss this with you. You're too soaked in the KoolAde
Or, is it, your too caught up in your own failures to recognize an organized responsibility?
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