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Old May 24th, 2007, 06:48 PM   #31
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"Great personalities, striving to make the world a better place in the worst of times, are remembered long after their deaths."







Hmmmmm… again, I think that’s a bit of a shallow write-off, taking too lightly the degree to which these beings have affected Humanity’s history.
A shallow write off? These beings have affected humanity's history because the people needed hope and yearned for a sense of justice, which wasn't there in reality.

The wealthy and powerful walked on the broken backs of the poor, exploiting them and cursing them as unclean and unworthy, and even today their greed is still one of the major causes of the world's problems.

People suffer and don't understand why, since they take it personally, and religion gives them reasons for why suffering exists.



Are you able to look beyond religion to see the reasons why religion came to be in the first place? The reasons are the same today as they have always been. It does not mean that religion is logical.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 12:17 AM   #32
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"Blah Blah Blah.....Its all more babble from ancient books written to keep people inline then changed along the way to fit the current blll. Please just admit there is no proof of God's existence at all. Faith is the only proof. No science there at all. None."



Faith and science are not at odds.


Faith and science are not at odds for you, because you have adjusted your religion to include science. Thats convinent.

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And honestly, I've yet to hear a decent argument that God does not exist.
And I have NEVER heard a decent argument that God does exist. I'm not trying to prove God doesn't exit. If you told me Monkey's fly, or dragons do exist, or there are unicorns, I wouldn't have to prove they don't exist!
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Old May 25th, 2007, 04:22 AM   #33
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And I have NEVER heard a decent argument that God does exist. I'm not trying to prove God doesn't exit. If you told me Monkey's fly, or dragons do exist, or there are unicorns, I wouldn't have to prove they don't exist!
There's no way to prove dragons don't exist. For all we know they could swoop out of the sky tomorrow and start attacking people in the middle of New York City for all to see. Yet we can reasonably assume that they won't, because we've never had any sightings of live ones, no suspected, photographs, an the concept itself is rather silly. Plus, the ideas are so ingrained into mythology that we can show that we know more of these creatures from fiction than fact.



As such, we can conclude they don't exist. Apply the same reasoning to a deity and you come up with similar results. No scientific test proves the existence of a deity, nobody can show significant and reliable evidence, and the only mainstream organizations promotng the idea are filled with contradiction. Thus, while remaining theoretically neutral, we can, in practice, maintain that it does not exist until we prove it
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Old May 25th, 2007, 06:36 AM   #34
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Someone could also find hundreds of websites that prove god doesnt exist, so is that true aswell?


That's the point. You can back up ANYTHING by finding the right websites.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 10:02 AM   #35
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"Faith and science are not at odds for you, because you have adjusted your religion to include science. Thats convinent."



I adjusted it? LOL. Look, if I could "adjust" religion, I wouldn't be debating on the Internet... I'd own it.



I think religion has been MIS-adjusted by some to exclude science. Likewise, some have become so dogmatic in materialistic thinking, they've convinced themselves that science excludes religion.
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"Are you able to look beyond religion to see the reasons why religion came to be in the first place? The reasons are the same today as they have always been. It does not mean that religion is logical."





You're logic might hold if wealthy, powerful people never became religious.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 12:08 PM   #37
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Sure, yeah, like politicians? They're not giving that money away like they're supposed to though, are they? Nope, they're asking for more.

That's not being religious, that's using religion to further personal goals.

Corporate CEO's say I believe in God, so buy my products.

That's not being religious either, same as above.

I'm not buying it.
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So, no person of wealth or power has ever become genuinly religious or had a legitimate spiritual experince?
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I know I cannot hold any objective information in regards to theories about the unknown.



I simply don't know and want to be as honest about it as possible. In the event that there really is a God I am hoping said God appreciates honesty and not ass kissing.
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