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Old March 16th, 2016, 06:53 AM   #11
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Exactly, Jesus taught goodness and the New Covenant reigns supreme. Sorry to say but the Old Covenant is hog wash.
A little history about this hog wash. Yahweh’s salvation of his people from Egypt, not the Christian sense of personal salvation from sin; that’s anachronistically read back into the Hebrew Bible. It’s not there. Salvation in the Hebrew Bible does not refer to an individual's deliverance from a sinful nature. This is not a concept that is found in the Hebrew Bible. Salvation refers instead, to the concrete, collective, communal salvation from national suffering and oppression, particularly in the form of foreign rule of enslavement.
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A little history about this hog wash. Yahweh’s salvation of his people from Egypt, not the Christian sense of personal salvation from sin; that’s anachronistically read back into the Hebrew Bible. It’s not there. Salvation in the Hebrew Bible does not refer to an individual's deliverance from a sinful nature. This is not a concept that is found in the Hebrew Bible. Salvation refers instead, to the concrete, collective, communal salvation from national suffering and oppression, particularly in the form of foreign rule of enslavement.
It's OK, taking magical fiction, and bending it into new stories, it's all part of the creative process.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 07:36 AM   #13
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It's OK, taking magical fiction, and bending it into new stories, it's all part of the creative process.
Some more magical fiction. You see, Israel’s descent to Egypt sets the stage for the rise of a pharaoh, who, didn’t know Joseph, and all that he had done for Egypt. And this new pharaoh will enslave the Israelites, and so embitter their lives, that their cry will rise up to heaven. Yahweh as Israel’s redeemer and savior, is Yahweh’s physical deliverance of the nation from the hands of her foes. But the physical redemption of the Israelites is going to reach its climax in the covenant that will be concluded at Sinai.
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Some more magical fiction. You see, Israel’s descent to Egypt sets the stage for the rise of a pharaoh, who, didn’t know Joseph, and all that he had done for Egypt. And this new pharaoh will enslave the Israelites, and so embitter their lives, that their cry will rise up to heaven. Yahweh as Israel’s redeemer and savior, is Yahweh’s physical deliverance of the nation from the hands of her foes. But the physical redemption of the Israelites is going to reach its climax in the covenant that will be concluded at Sinai.
Who gives a flying fuck?
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Who gives a flying fuck?
You should, because this law contract will never be held against you or anyone else during this age of grace we are living in. It is this age of grace message that is being mixed up with the program God has with the Israelites.

Yahweh’s redemption of the Israelites, is a redemption for a purpose, for at Sinai, the Israelites will become Yahweh’s people, bound by a covenant. The covenant concluded at Sinai is referred to as the Mosaic covenant. The Mosaic covenant differs radically from the Noahide and the patriarchal covenants, because here Yahweh makes no promises beyond being the patron or protector of Israel; and also, in this covenant, he set terms that require obedience to a variety of laws and commandments.
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But in Leviticus 26, beginning with verse 40, is the confession Israel would be called upon to make. Israel would also have to accept the remainder of her punishment, that failure under the law contract would call for and that would be the seven year tribulation. When John the Baptizer came along, had anything new begun? He simply called upon Israel to change their minds about their righteousness. 


John the Baptizer came in connection with Yahweh’s earthly nation Israel and in accordance with an offer to confess their failure under the law contract in order to gain their promised land. That confession itself would be considered a fruit of righteousness in the eyes of Yahweh. The focus during John the Baptizer’s ministry was still Israel and the issue continued to be the land. Nothing had changed except that Israel was being offered the opportunity to confess their failure under the law contract. Israel continued to be the focus and the land continued to be the issue.

Is the kingdom in place today? No.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. Seven years tribulation? Where is that? Israel is only supposed to confess their sins and repent, that's all.

Israel isn't a land, Israel is a people. More specifically, Israel is the people who follow God's will. This people was promised a land, "the land of Israel", at the time of the Torah. But the land isn't the central issue.

Does this people exist today? Barely. The only people I have found who have any interest in following God's will are the traditional Anabaptists.
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I have no idea what you are talking about here. Seven years tribulation? Where is that? Israel is only supposed to confess their sins and repent, that's all.

Israel isn't a land, Israel is a people. More specifically, Israel is the people who follow God's will. This people was promised a land, "the land of Israel", at the time of the Torah. But the land isn't the central issue.

Does this people exist today? Barely. The only people I have found who have any interest in following God's will are the traditional Anabaptists.
The issue is, in order to dwell with God in eternity future, we have to be as righteous as God, his justice will not allow nothing other. If Christ paid the penalty for our sin debt, to keep those sins on the table of God’s justice is to do great injustice to what Jesus Christ accomplished, it turns salvation into probation!

In this age of grace, if we are trying to satisfy God’s justice on a daily basis or however by conforming to a standard of rules and regulations, we are going to find that just the opposite becomes true in our flesh. We are going to find ourselves constantly focusing on the flesh, the milk of self-righteousness will sour under the divine heat of God’s justice.
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I have no idea what you are talking about here. Seven years tribulation? Where is that? Israel is only supposed to confess their sins and repent, that's all.

Israel isn't a land, Israel is a people. More specifically, Israel is the people who follow God's will. This people was promised a land, "the land of Israel", at the time of the Torah. But the land isn't the central issue.

Does this people exist today? Barely. The only people I have found who have any interest in following God's will are the traditional Anabaptists.
Before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period to those people who were being taught to pray in this manner. This will be a very heartfelt prayer during the tribulation period.

During the time of Jacob’s trouble, the Israelites will be under tremendous persecution from the antichrist. He will be putting Israelites to death for their faith. The Israelites will be praying at that time, “thy kingdom come” the promised earthly kingdom to be set up right here on earth, because the only hope of deliverance for the believing Israelites at that time, will be the coming of the king and setting up of the earthly kingdom.
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God wants believers to all think the same way when it comes to what’s happening in this Age of Grace, what God is doing today and how’s he doing it. Every sin we have or ever will commit was put on Jesus Christ, but how many people in the world miss it, because they think God is still looking at them and judging them and evaluating them on the bases of their performance.
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Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.


Thessalonians 5:5, 8
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