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Old May 22nd, 2016, 10:53 AM   #61
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Nebuchadnezzar did not rule over the entire earth, no matter how many times you regurgitate claims to the contrary. That's reality.
In fact, the great and mighty emperor, king of kings, Nebuchadnezzar definitely ruled over India and definitely was a founder of buddhism and six hands buddha golden statue, of which is this tropic.

To probe your knowledge, What was promised to Ephraim and Mannaseh?

Genesis 48:15-16
And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads, and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Genesis 48:19-20
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

How has this promise demonstrated itself throughout the centuries?

Of this it is written in the chronicles and prophets of Israel

Where is it manifested today?

In fact, Ephraim ceased among the tribes of Israel, there are now tribes of Joseph and Manasseh (Revelation 7)
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Do unto others as you would have others do unto you; Golden Rule and not in the Koran or Bible
I'm going to pop your bubble....
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
---Matthew 7:7-12
Compare to Luke 6:31 -- And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
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In fact, the great and mighty emperor, king of kings, Nebuchadnezzar definitely ruled over India and definitely was a founder of buddhism and six hands buddha golden statue, of which is this tropic.

To probe your knowledge, What was promised to Ephraim and Mannaseh?

Genesis 48:15-16
And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads, and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Genesis 48:19-20
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

How has this promise demonstrated itself throughout the centuries?

Of this it is written in the chronicles and prophets of Israel

Where is it manifested today?

In fact, Ephraim ceased among the tribes of Israel, there are now tribes of Joseph and Manasseh (Revelation 7)
I challenge you to provide a map of the Babylonian Empire that comes remotely close to India.
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I challenge you to provide a map of the Babylonian Empire that comes remotely close to India.
The Holy Bible and historical and archeological evidence establishes the following:

God said:

Jeremiah 27:5-7
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
And now have I given all the lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve him.

All the lands and all nations mean all the lands and all nations of the earth

It is written:

Daniel 3:7
Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

All the people, the nations, and the languages means all the people, the nations, and the languages of the earth

Babylonian empire was far richer, stronger and glorious than the modern day United States of America and far richer, stronger and glorious than Israel ever was, even in time of Solomon. The Babylonians were, are and will be the strongest and severest fighters on the whole earth that defeated, defeat and will always defeat all their enemies in the Middle East including Americans and Israelites, and completely destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple of God. In fact, Nebuchadnezzar could have easily slain Alexander the Macedon with one blow of his mighty hand.

If Alexander the Macedon with his poor, weak and distant Macedonia kingdom was able to reach India, it is obvious that Nebuchadnezzar with his might, riches and proximity ruled over India with his steel and fiery feast, and established buddhism and six hands buddha golden statue by his decree, as with Babylonian and Egyptian horses it took the mighty army of the Babylonians just three to six months depending on the roads and weather to cross the whole India.

As for the maps, that period of history is obscure and those few maps that exist are full of mythological and confused names - I cannot produce a map, but I trust the Word of God that establishes that.
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The Holy Bible and historical and archeological evidence establishes the following:

God said:

Jeremiah 27:5-7
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
And now have I given all the lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve him.

All the lands and all nations mean all the lands and all nations of the earth

It is written:

Daniel 3:7
Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

All the people, the nations, and the languages means all the people, the nations, and the languages of the earth

Babylonian empire was far richer, stronger and glorious than the modern day United States of America and far richer, stronger and glorious than Israel ever was, even in time of Solomon. The Babylonians were, are and will be the strongest and severest fighters on the whole earth that defeated, defeat and will always defeat all their enemies in the Middle East including Americans and Israelites, and completely destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple of God. In fact, Nebuchadnezzar could have easily slain Alexander the Macedon with one blow of his mighty hand.

If Alexander the Macedon with his poor, weak and distant Macedonia kingdom was able to reach India, it is obvious that Nebuchadnezzar with his might, riches and proximity ruled over India with his steel and fiery feast, and established buddhism and six hands buddha golden statue by his decree, as with Babylonian and Egyptian horses it took the mighty army of the Babylonians just three to six months depending on the roads and weather to cross the whole India.

As for the maps, that period of history is obscure and those few maps that exist are full of mythological and confused names - I cannot produce a map, but I trust the Word of God that establishes that.
That period of time is not obscure, but for someone who states that it is obscure as an argument against what you do not like, you sure are specific regarding that time period when it furthers your agenda.

Here is a map of the Babylonian Empire created by historians, archeologists, and Biblical scholars. Where is India?

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The Holy Bible and historical and archeological evidence establishes the following:

God said:

Jeremiah 27:5-7
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
And now have I given all the lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve him.

All the lands and all nations mean all the lands and all nations of the earth

It is written:

Daniel 3:7
Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

All the people, the nations, and the languages means all the people, the nations, and the languages of the earth

Babylonian empire was far richer, stronger and glorious than the modern day United States of America and far richer, stronger and glorious than Israel ever was, even in time of Solomon. The Babylonians were, are and will be the strongest and severest fighters on the whole earth that defeated, defeat and will always defeat all their enemies in the Middle East including Americans and Israelites, and completely destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple of God. In fact, Nebuchadnezzar could have easily slain Alexander the Macedon with one blow of his mighty hand.

If Alexander the Macedon with his poor, weak and distant Macedonia kingdom was able to reach India, it is obvious that Nebuchadnezzar with his might, riches and proximity ruled over India with his steel and fiery feast, and established buddhism and six hands buddha golden statue by his decree, as with Babylonian and Egyptian horses it took the mighty army of the Babylonians just three to six months depending on the roads and weather to cross the whole India.

As for the maps, that period of history is obscure and those few maps that exist are full of mythological and confused names - I cannot produce a map, but I trust the Word of God that establishes that.
With that post, I've lost almost all of my respect for you, dear sir.

Jimmy made a simple request, which you totally ignored, and regurgitated what you've been regurgitating - verbatim - for pages.

It is clear that cannot debate the subject. You cannot produce historical evidence to corroborate what you maintain, other than the Bible. Yet even the Bible fails to corroborate your interpretations.

Of course, I am communicating with one who claims to be a humble person, a bishop of Lord Jesus Christ, priest of Lord Jesus Christ, seer-priest of Lord God Jehovah, and prophet of Lord God Jehovah.

I'm outgunned from the get-go, according to you.
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That period of time is not obscure, but for someone who states that it is obscure as an argument against what you do not like, you sure are specific regarding that time period when it furthers your agenda.

Here is a map of the Babylonian Empire created by historians, archeologists, and Biblical scholars. Where is India?

Frankly, I rather believe God and the great and mighty emperor, king of kings, Nebuchadnezzar, than the map that you have provided.

Jeremiah 27:5-7
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
And now have I given all the lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve him.

Daniel 4:1-37
Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth, Peace be multiplied unto you.
I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me.
How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:
I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.
Therefore made I a decree to bring in all the wise men of Babylon before me, that they might make known unto me the interpretation of the dream.
Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.
But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,
O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.
Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.
The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:
It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.
And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:
That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.
Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.
All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.
The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

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Frankly, I rather believe God and the great and mighty emperor, king of kings, Nebuchadnezzar, than the map that you have provided.

Jeremiah 27:5-7
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
And now have I given all the lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve him.

Daniel 4:1-37
Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth, Peace be multiplied unto you.
I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me.
How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:
I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.
Therefore made I a decree to bring in all the wise men of Babylon before me, that they might make known unto me the interpretation of the dream.
Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.
But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,
O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.
Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.
The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:
It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.
And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:
That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.
Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.
All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.
The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Case closed. You've made it clear, that it's my way, which happens to be God's way according to me, or the highway.

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Frankly, I rather believe God and the great and mighty emperor, king of kings, Nebuchadnezzar, than the map that you have provided.
I highly recommend that you re-group and make another run at another time.

God, as relayed in the Bible in Hebrew, never stated that the area of the Babylonian Empire was world-wide as the term world-wide is understood today.

I would also recommend that you increase your caloric intake as well because you are burning a lot of calories with all of your ducking and weaving and all the jumping to conclusions.
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