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Old October 18th, 2008, 09:41 AM   #31
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If The Incredible Human Potential grabbed your attention and you want more, you may want to read The Prophesied Endtime. This book tells you what you must do to be "saved" from the disasters that are soon coming on our earth.
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I believe that belief without critical thinking is dangerous.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #33
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This so true.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 09:51 AM   #34
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I have been a Christian all my life, even so, I sought to really know Christ. Then I went through a terrible time in my life; a divorce from my one and only marriage. During this time, I had a what I call now The Visitation, in which I believe God touched me so that I would be aware that He really is and that He truly loves and cares for everyone of His creation.



Since the "visitation", I have actively sought to know The Truth. I can't tell you off the top of my head how many times I thought I had Found it!!! Just as recently as 3-4 months, what I thought was The Truth has been laid aside for something even more revelant. To put it in a nutshell (for you), it is in this book. I hope you'll read it. Your chances of staying alive in the next few months (years) whenever, will be much improved if you do and take to heart what you read. Please read The Incredible Human Potential.
I'll check it out; why not.
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I believe that belief without critical thinking is dangerous.


I wonder if you ponder your views.

I do my views.



As iron sharpens iron...
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Old October 21st, 2008, 09:12 PM   #36
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i believe that an individual human is fundamentally incapable of understanding the complexity of the universe we find ourselves in. the truth is beyond the grasp of the human mind. (personally i find this extremely irritating. i would like to know, to understand, but being human i know i cannot)



but humans are uncomfortable with the unknown. i believe this lack of understanding drives us to learn. as we learn more, we realise that some mysteries are fathomable. we also realise that there are far more mysteries than we first thought.



so we have an impasse. we want to know, we have a need to know in order to feel secure about our place in the universe, but we cannot know.



i believe religion has arisen to fill this void. it gives an answer when there is no answer, gives us the comfort that we have a place when we are in the dark.



personally, i think the traditional, organised religions (like christianity or islam) do this very badly. partly, their answers make no sense in the light of other information. also, they try to take over as the only source of truth rather than remaining the source of last resort. i find a less formal spiritual outlook much more appropriate. and as an emotional human being i need that to give me comfort about living in a universe such as this one. as a rational human being i need that spirituality to be flexible and accommodate other sources of truth.
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Old October 24th, 2008, 12:05 PM   #37
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I have been a Christian all my life, even so, I sought to really know Christ. Then I went through a terrible time in my life; a divorce from my one and only marriage. During this time, I had a what I call now The Visitation, in which I believe God touched me so that I would be aware that He really is and that He truly loves and cares for everyone of His creation.



Since the "visitation", I have actively sought to know The Truth. I can't tell you off the top of my head how many times I thought I had Found it!!! Just as recently as 3-4 months, what I thought was The Truth has been laid aside for something even more revelant. To put it in a nutshell (for you), it is in this book. I hope you'll read it. Your chances of staying alive in the next few months (years) whenever, will be much improved if you do and take to heart what you read. Please read The Incredible Human Potential.


Wow, that is a pretty interesting book so far. I'm about half way through, and even though I'm a Wiccan, some of the core ideas in it ring true for me. I also believe in a supreme creative force, and that our destiny as a species is to be "one" with this source, or "the all". I think this book just puts that idea in a way that Christians will understand and see how it relates to them.



I do think that there are malevolent spirits out there that were originally created for a great purpose but that lost their way or became twisted of their own volition. There are also some of these spirits that we as humans have the power to control and use. If you believe that the "angels" were originally on this Earth and that they were supposed to finish creating it, then you can see how they can still have an effect on things here even though they are not physical. Then cam King Solomon, who figured out or was otherwise "told" how to communicate with and control a number of these entities.



Anyway, I think it is possible, given my belief in reincarnation, that some of the angels that didn't rebel against their creator were then sent back to the Earth in mortal form to "develop" their spirits into something more worthy to join the creator in the process of creation. And those beings have led life after life on Earth until they "get it". And those spirits are what is now us.



In this way, I think each religion has a piece of the puzzle of why we are here, what our purpose is, and how we can rise to that purpose. Maybe the whole point of religion is that we can all come together to synthesize what we all know pieces of into a grand scheme and finally reach oneness together.



But whetever the truth is (I "know" it as well as anyone else, which is to say, not at all) this book is a very interesting read from a former Christian and current Wiccan.
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Wow, that is a pretty interesting book so far. I'm about half way through, and even though I'm a Wiccan, some of the core ideas in it ring true for me. I also believe in a supreme creative force, and that our destiny as a species is to be "one" with this source, or "the all". I think this book just puts that idea in a way that Christians will understand and see how it relates to them.



I do think that there are malevolent spirits out there that were originally created for a great purpose but that lost their way or became twisted of their own volition. There are also some of these spirits that we as humans have the power to control and use. If you believe that the "angels" were originally on this Earth and that they were supposed to finish creating it, then you can see how they can still have an effect on things here even though they are not physical. Then cam King Solomon, who figured out or was otherwise "told" how to communicate with and control a number of these entities.



Anyway, I think it is possible, given my belief in reincarnation, that some of the angels that didn't rebel against their creator were then sent back to the Earth in mortal form to "develop" their spirits into something more worthy to join the creator in the process of creation. And those beings have led life after life on Earth until they "get it". And those spirits are what is now us.



In this way, I think each religion has a piece of the puzzle of why we are here, what our purpose is, and how we can rise to that purpose. Maybe the whole point of religion is that we can all come together to synthesize what we all know pieces of into a grand scheme and finally reach oneness together.



But whetever the truth is (I "know" it as well as anyone else, which is to say, not at all) this book is a very interesting read from a former Christian and current Wiccan.
Does that mean you believe a portion of the Bible?
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Does that mean you believe a portion of the Bible?


I believe there is some truth in what is written in it, but that some of the details have been corrupted by men. And even though I call myself a Wiccan, I don't blindly adhere to everything that religion claims to be true either, because that was also created by a man. But Wicca is the closest "template" to what I believe is the way we were created and our purpose for being here.
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The typical Christian view of "God" is a judge who looks at what you do in the ONE life you get and then decides whether or not you "pass" or "fail". This leads people who believe that they are following the "right" path to either try to get everyone to believe exactly as they do (which you can't blame them for, because to them, they are right) or at the very worst, look down on and ridicule those that don't fit their "morality".



The Wiccan view of "God", and my personal view, is that it (I say "it" and not "he" because how can the supreme creative force possibly have a gender) is more like a loving parent, waiting at the end of the path for us to finish, no matter how long, or how many tries, it takes.
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