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Old January 4th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #61
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Philisophically- I refuse to follow anything or anybody that tells me what to do and how to live. I can figure that out on my own. I believe in Individualism, in which everybody should think for themselves and keep their rules to themselves. This would mean a society with no rules except those that protect people/creatures from other people/creatures (murder, rape, theft, assault, DWI, abuse, etc). Of course protection of humans would supersede any and all protection of creatures, but that doesn't mean that people should be allowed to gun down animals at random just because they can.

For everything else I use Math, Science and Logic to answer my questions.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #62
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I don't "believe" in anything.



That doesn't make me an "atheist", mind you. "Agnostic" carries too much implication of apathy or ignorance, and "gnostic" (while somewhat accurate) was originally a derogatory term and carries too much implication of know-it-all-ism.



I appreciate that ultimately I cannot be sure of anything. I may be the dream of another being, all this may be nothing more than an illusion or hallucination. All I can ever know with any certainty is consciousness.



Within the matrix of conscious awareness, certain patterns persist and one can fairly accurately predict the outcome of routine future events by means of observing these patterns and making use of the so-called "scientific method". It helps immensely that there are billions of other "people" -- experiences within my field of consciousness that appear to share this same conscious awareness that solely defines my apparent existence -- from which I can learn more complex patterns, theories and "laws" based on their experience, and the experience of a collective history of other now-dead consciousnesses. Isaac Newton may only be a figment of my imagination, but his "laws of physics" are pretty useful in day-to-day existence.



Of course, all of these centers of conscious awareness start to lose our basic ability to agree on observable phenomenon when it comes to the aforementioned issue of Death. As Swinburne said, "His life is a watch or a vision, Between a sleep and a sleep." Our conscious awareness has a definite beginning and the other centers of conscious awareness around us have definite ends, and we deduce that ours will follow suit based on the observable laws of nature.



At this point, speculation runs rampant, and violent barbaric wars have been fought for aeons, mercilessly destroying many millions of flesh-and-blood temples that contain these centers of consciousness, in order to enforce dogmatic conformity as to the speculative theories of what does or does not exist before and after our conscious awarenesses blink in and out of existence where our memory and imagination can only invoke a stark abyss.



And so, in the tradition of a journal of "scientific illuminism" called the Equinox that was published around the turn of the last century whose motto was "The method of science, the aim of religion" I study voraciously those two broad subjects called science and religion. I see a beautiful dovetailing between the two subjects, once one stops clinging to dogmatic driftwood and begins swimming in the glorious ocean of consciousness.



Scientific studies allow me to more effectively cause willed change in the "world" (the matrix within which my consciousness appears to move through the 4 observable dimensions), and religious studies allow me to more effectively cause willed change in the fabric of consciousness itself. Having abandoned dogma in favor of love, I absorb the teachings of all scientists and mystics alike with a strict observance of the "scientific method" -- what works is kept, what does not work is discarded, and so do we strive for "truth" and "perfection".



I often say "I don't believe anything, I just have a lot of theories." Theories are malleable, non-dogmatic, pragmatic, and based on data. Beliefs can be based on just about anything, including mental illness.



Anyways, that's it in a nutshell.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 10:52 AM   #63
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What do you believe?





I try to believe in God. The Christian one. Since I was a very young child, let's say age 6, I started to question it all. Seemed a bit like Santa Clause, but much more involved. I was raised Catholic, so it was very involved.



I could go on and on, but from day to day I change what I think. I'm in a continual state of, "I don't know". I so want there to be a God, but it does seem like mythology. Reading history and so forth, there's no real record of Jesus.



I think that from some of it I did pick up some kindnesses, but I think they probably came from my mother. The nun's were a very confusing bunch of women. Mostly they were all pretty confused themselves, and mean. I don't see how they could preach "love", but they never explained what love was. They could preach love, but punish us by making us kneel on a hardwood floor for hours for someone's disobediance, or slap someone back and forth across the face for some act of disobediance. Some were "psycho", or just very confused because they probably didn't have a clue whether there was really a God or not.



What I'd like to know is how do people keep their faith. Honestly, I don't see how it's possible.
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I try to believe in God. The Christian one. Since I was a very young child, let's say age 6, I started to question it all. Seemed a bit like Santa Clause, but much more involved. I was raised Catholic, so it was very involved.



I could go on and on, but from day to day I change what I think. I'm in a continual state of, "I don't know". I so want there to be a God, but it does seem like mythology. Reading history and so forth, there's no real record of Jesus.



I think that from some of it I did pick up some kindnesses, but I think they probably came from my mother. The nun's were a very confusing bunch of women. Mostly they were all pretty confused themselves, and mean. I don't see how they could preach "love", but they never explained what love was. They could preach love, but punish us by making us kneel on a hardwood floor for hours for someone's disobediance, or slap someone back and forth across the face for some act of disobediance. Some were "psycho", or just very confused because they probably didn't have a clue whether there was really a God or not.



What I'd like to know is how do people keep their faith. Honestly, I don't see how it's possible.


Do you consider yourself to be halfway between an agnostic and an atheist?
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I believe........I'll have another beer.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 11:42 AM   #66
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I believe........I'll have another beer.


Remember the bumper sticker?



"Everybody has to believe in something. I believe I will have another beer." LOL
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Old January 13th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #67
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Do you consider yourself to be halfway between an agnostic and an atheist?


I guess so. Throw in someone who tries to believe. I talk to God in a questioning kind of way several times a week. Usually, I don't get answered, or almost always. I have things to be grateful for, and not, depending on how you would look at it. I'm thankful for what I have, and feel I need to thank someone. I'm in a state of guilt constantly. I was probably the wrong person to have learned about this stuff. Now I'm stuck with it. But, yes, I barely believe, but I stop short of letting it go. Don't think I can. It's actually scary one way or the other. I kinda feel if their is a God, He doesn't seem like a very fun sort of guy.
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I guess so. Throw in someone who tries to believe. I talk to God in a questioning kind of way several times a week. Usually, I don't get answered, or almost always. I have things to be grateful for, and not, depending on how you would look at it. I'm thankful for what I have, and feel I need to thank someone. I'm in a state of guilt constantly. I was probably the wrong person to have learned about this stuff. Now I'm stuck with it. But, yes, I barely believe, but I stop short of letting it go. Don't think I can. It's actually scary one way or the other. I kinda feel if their is a God, He doesn't seem like a very fun sort of guy.


Only what you know in your heart.
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I believe........I'll have another beer.


I'll drink to that!!!!
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better make that 2 beers

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