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Old January 24th, 2013, 08:12 AM   #21
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<span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="imaginethat" data-cid="457478" data-time="1359047552"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms</blockquote>


flat our lie, nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler.


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if the earth is getting so warm, how come I can't plant wheat in the fields my ancestors farmed a thousand years ago in greenland.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #23
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="webguy4" data-cid="457629" data-time="1359059148"><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="imaginethat" data-cid="457478" data-time="1359047552"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms</blockquote>


flat our lie, nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler.


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if the earth is getting so warm, how come I can't plant wheat in the fields my ancestors farmed a thousand years ago in greenland.</blockquote>


typo, "our" should be "out"
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="webguy4" data-cid="457629" data-time="1359059148"><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="imaginethat" data-cid="457478" data-time="1359047552"><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms</blockquote>


flat our lie, nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler.


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if the earth is getting so warm, how come I can't plant wheat in the fields my ancestors farmed a thousand years ago in greenland.</blockquote>


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More ridiculous either/or thinking.


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I've lived in a high mountain valley for more than 30 years. I have known sons and daughters of the original settlers. Since the days of their mothers and fathers, things have gotten a lot warmer here, and drier. Since I've lived here, the frost-free window has opened 2-4 weeks.*


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The warm period you noted is real, but it doesn't contradict the laws of physics. There are many physical factors and cycles that affect the global climate. Are you arguing with the physical law that CO2 and CH4 re-radiate back to earth the long wave infrared radiation emitted skyward by the earth's surface?


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Do you think physicists somehow are wrong about this? If so, can you please share the latest research that shows CO2 and CH4 <u>don't</u> re-radiate long wave infrared?
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[quote name="webguy4" post="457629" timestamp="1359059148"][quote name="imaginethat" post="457478" timestamp="1359047552"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/2012-hottest-year-on-record_n_2433210.html]

2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms
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flat our lie, nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler.
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if the earth is getting so warm, how come I can't plant wheat in the fields my ancestors farmed a thousand years ago in greenland.[/quote]

1. If you make the claim that "nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler," then you should be able to provide the actual evidence that supports that claim. So, that evidence is...?

2. Evidence that supports a warmer Greenland a thousand years ago is not evidence that Earth's atmosphere on a global scale at the same time was also warmer. Indeed, localized climate conditions do not dictate global climate conditions.

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flat our lie, nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler.

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if the earth is getting so warm, how come I can't plant wheat in the fields my ancestors farmed a thousand years ago in greenland.


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1. If you make the claim that "nasa has been caught changing the numbers for previous years to make them look cooler," then you should be able to provide the actual evidence that supports that claim. So, that evidence is...?


2. Evidence that supports a warmer Greenland a thousand years ago is not evidence that Earth's atmosphere on a global scale at the same time was also warmer. Indeed, localized climate conditions do not dictate global climate conditions.</blockquote>


just google it. google climategate , google hockeystick graph, google climategate, and then come back and tell me their is no bias screwing the climate science.
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just google it. google climategate , google hockeystick graph, google climategate, and then come back and tell me their is no bias screwing the climate science.
Oh, I am quite familiar with the alleged conspiracy called "Climategate."

And, my guess is you think some text from stolen emails saying "hide the decline" actually means "hide the decline in global temperatures?"

Well, perhaps that conclusion is quite easy to make if one takes statements in emails, stolen or otherwise, out of context.

(Indeed, the stolen email actually said, "I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline." And, political partisans have grossly misquoted this statement. )

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1. The "decline" does not refer to a "decline in global temperature" as often claimed. It actually refers to a decline in tree growth at certain high-latitude locations. This decline began in the 1960s when tree-ring proxies diverged from the temperature record.

2."Mike's Nature trick" has nothing to do with "hide the decline". "Mike's trick" refers to a technique by Michael Mann to plot instrumental temperature data on the same graph as reconstructed data over the past millennium.

3.The divergence of tree-ring proxies from temperatures after 1960 is openly discussed in the peer-reviewed literature and the last two IPCC assessment reports.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Mike...e-advanced.htm
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Everybody knows that global warming is the result of gay men having sex.
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Oh, I am quite familiar with the alleged conspiracy called "Climategate."

And, my guess is you think some text from stolen emails saying "hide the decline" actually means "hide the decline in global temperatures?"

Well, perhaps that conclusion is quite easy to make if one takes statements in emails, stolen or otherwise, out of context.

(Indeed, the stolen email actually said, "Iíve just completed Mikeís Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keithís to hide the decline." And, political partisans have grossly misquoted this statement. )

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It does, Global Warmign is a 10s or Trillions dollar industry.. yes..

If you don't support the "Collective" you lose your Grants,

If you dont support the Collective you will be Regulated out of Business

How can there be a Carbon Tax for Governments is it is not real..

We are talking 10s of Trillion dollars world wide.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_105600.html

TOKYO ó The world needs to invest $45 trillion in energy in coming decades, build some 1,400 nuclear power plants and vastly expand wind power in order to halve greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, according to an energy study
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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:45 AM   #30
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make opinion is that all posts in anonymous interenet forums are opinions, evidence is generally irrelevent.

"evidence that hansen lied". just google hansen nasa lie and click on any link you like. its not really debatable. he has lied repeatedly.

the warmest year on the real record, before hansen started changing numbers in 1934.

yeah, for some periods of time the earth has gotten warmer. and wheneever any body has bother or been able to look, temperature increases happened on every observed object in the solar system.

try to claim the warming in greenland a thousand years ago was isolated ? you're not looking at any climate data. no real climatologist would try to claim the earth was not warmer then.

co2 as a cause of warming, even worse case believe that data the biased observers give us, we're talking 2 parts out of a thousand. sorry , just not dense enuf to make a difference.

any honest climatologist would tell you water vapor is the most potent global warming gas. and since water is all over the place i don't think there's anything we can do about vapor.
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