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Old July 16th, 2014, 09:42 PM   #31
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Ex. I don't understand the defence here. Need or act of charity.
If your work requires you to work on a the sabbath than who is the sinner the employer or the employee?

(I get the charity part)

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Certainly if you are required to work on Sunday (need) you aren't sinning.



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Old July 16th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #32
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Certainly if you are required to work on Sunday (need) you aren't sinning.


So the boss that schedules you to work is the sinner?
He is forcing you to break your bond with god out of a need, that the Jesus excused (as you posted earler)
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"It is as it is" as my son that hung himself told me before he did it! This is fucking real to me! I did not know what he was telling me, now I do, and I thank his spirit!

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So the boss that schedules you to work is the sinner?
He is forcing you to break your bond with god out of a need, that the Jesus excused (as you posted earler)

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2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

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Thomas Jefferson was always reluctant to reveal his religious beliefs to the public, but at times he would speak to and reflect upon the public dimension of religion. He was raised as an Anglican, but was influenced by English deists such as Bolingbroke and Shaftesbury. Thus in the spirit of the Enlightenment, he made the following recommendation to his nephew Peter Carr in 1787: "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." In Query XVII of Notes on the State of Virginia, he clearly outlines the views which led him to play a leading role in the campaign to separate church and state and which culminated in the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom: "The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ... Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Jefferson's religious views became a major public issue during the bitter party conflict between Federalists and Republicans in the late 1790s when Jefferson was often accused of being an atheist.

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With the help of Richard Price, a Unitarian minister in London, and Joseph Priestly, an English scientist-clergyman who emigrated to America in 1794, Jefferson eventually arrived at some positive assertions of his private religion. His ideas are nowhere better expressed than in his compilations of extracts from the New Testament "The Philosophy of Jesus" (1804) and "The Life and Morals of Jesus" (1819-20?). The former stems from his concern with the problem of maintaining social harmony in a republican nation. The latter is a multilingual collection of verses that was a product of his private search for religious truth. Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man." In correspondence, he sometimes expressed confidence that the whole country would be Unitarian[3], but he recognized the novelty of his own religious beliefs. On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles Ely, "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

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I still don't get the reasoning. I place aside a min. Of 10 hours a week for charity. We are fortunate enough to be able to do that. But I am not bound by laws of god. (I come from a religious family and my wife and children are church goers) I truly just don't get it. In all reality is Saturday not the end of the week, so should that not be the day of rest. Then maybe I could get talked into church to see where my 10% goes once n awhile without missing kickoff
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I still don't get the reasoning. I place aside a min. Of 10 hours a week for charity. We are fortunate enough to be able to do that. But I am not bound by laws of god. (I come from a religious family and my wife and children are church goers) I truly just don't get it. In all reality is Saturday not the end of the week, so should that not be the day of rest. Then maybe I could get talked into church to see where my 10% goes once n awhile without missing kickoff
In the first century the Church started having the main worship on sunday, the day of resurrection.

In the first century, Church was held everyday, you worshipped sitting Monday-Saturday, Sunday you worshipped standing in recognition of the resurrection.
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Christ, while observing the Sabbath, set himself in word and act against this absurd rigorism which made man a slave of the day. He reproved the scribes and Pharisees for putting an intolerable burden on men's shoulders (Matthew 23:4), and proclaimed the principle that "the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27). He cured on the Sabbath, and defended His disciples for plucking ears of corn on that day. In His arguments with the Pharisees on this account He showed that the Sabbath is not broken in cases of necessity or by acts of charity (Matthew 12:3 sqq.; Mark 2:25 sqq.; Luke 6:3 sqq.; 14:5). St. Paul enumerates the Sabbath among the Jewish observances which are not obligatory on Christians (Colossians 2:16; Galatians 4:9-10; Romans 14:5). The gentile converts held their religious meetings on Sunday (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2) and with the disappearance of the Jewish Christian churches this day was exclusively observed as the Lord's Day.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sabbath
That sounds rather natural, even innocent, but "the disappearance" of Sabbath day practices was mandated with attendant penalties by the Fourth Century counterfeit Roman Church, which also by this time had invented eternal hell and recreated Jesus of Nazareth into God.

The Council of Laodicea, 363-364, in establishing Canon 29 marked the turning point. Canon 29 in full:

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Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
With that, the relaxation of strict Sabbath day practices which were taught by Jesus was undone. The simple truth of the Gospel was being complicated to ensure the "need" for bishops, much like civil law is complicated to ensure the "need" for lawyers.

The full list of canons available here: CHURCH FATHERS: Synod of Laodicea (4th Century)

Now, back to string theory.... It's currently untestable.

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Hmm apes don't understand calculus.

man does

Apes did not eat of the tree of knowledge man did.

first 2 minutes


God does not care about mathematical difficulties; He integrates empirically. ~Albert Einstein
Apes don't need calculus.

Apes have sex.
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In god's image, so god has boobs and balls. Right?
Not his physical image, you know better than that. Man's soul not man's body, but then you don't believe in a soul do you.
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