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Old July 20th, 2014, 07:18 AM   #51
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Old July 20th, 2014, 07:33 AM   #52
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Now, back to string theory.... It's currently untestable.
And the best response to the babble of string theory is a polite, "So what?"

Endless possibilities played out in an infinite number of alternates? So what?

The theory itself, interesting as it may be, when pressed by the babblers sounds like an attempt to escape the one real verse we occupy.
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Hmm apes don't understand calculus.

man does

Apes did not eat of the tree of knowledge man did.

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God does not care about mathematical difficulties; He integrates empirically. ~Albert Einstein
I wish the religious right would stop using Einstein for quotes on things like this. You realize he was a Socialist and an Atheist like me, right? If you don't like me, I doubt you'd like him either.

Of course, that wont stop you from quote mining anyway. It's not as if you care, you're just using his quotes because he's got a reputation and so you assume that you add validity to your argument if you can get someone famous to agree with you.
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I wish the religious right would stop using Einstein for quotes on things like this. You realize he was a Socialist and an Atheist like me, right? If you don't like me, I doubt you'd like him either.

Of course, that wont stop you from quote mining anyway. It's not as if you care, you're just using his quotes because he's got a reputation and so you assume that you add validity to your argument if you can get someone famous to agree with you.
I wish the Left radical Left would quit continually misrepresenting the facts!

Einstein was not an atheist and neither is Hawking

"Einstein ultimately gave at best reluctant assent to what he called "the necessity for a beginning" and eventually to "the presence of a superior reasoning power." But he never did embrace the concept of a personal Creator, a compassionate God who cares for men and women and children".

"Now, lest any reader be uncertain, let me emphasize that Hawking strenuously denies charges that he is an atheist. When he is accused of atheism, he is affronted and says that such assertions are not true. For example, Hawking has stated "I thought I had left the question of the existence of a Supreme Being completely open. . . It would be perfectly consistent with all we know to say that there was a Being who was responsible for all the laws of physics." Stephen Hawking is probably an agnostic or a deist (a believer in an impersonal god) or something in between these two positions, his recent church attendance notwithstanding. He is certainly not an atheist and does not even appear very sympathetic to atheism".
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"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary."
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I wish the Left radical Left would quit continually misrepresenting the facts!

Einstein was not an atheist and neither is Hawking

"Einstein ultimately gave at best reluctant assent to what he called "the necessity for a beginning" and eventually to "the presence of a superior reasoning power." But he never did embrace the concept of a personal Creator, a compassionate God who cares for men and women and children".

"Now, lest any reader be uncertain, let me emphasize that Hawking strenuously denies charges that he is an atheist. When he is accused of atheism, he is affronted and says that such assertions are not true. For example, Hawking has stated "I thought I had left the question of the existence of a Supreme Being completely open. . . It would be perfectly consistent with all we know to say that there was a Being who was responsible for all the laws of physics." Stephen Hawking is probably an agnostic or a deist (a believer in an impersonal god) or something in between these two positions, his recent church attendance notwithstanding. He is certainly not an atheist and does not even appear very sympathetic to atheism".
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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
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"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth."
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
"Obviously there's no such thing as an "Agnostic". Einstein, like many other people (especially in the time period), saw pejorative connotations in the word Atheism so he refused to use it. I don't really care what he wanted to call himself, what he's saying is what Atheism is in this context, whether he liked the term or not."
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Bloody Wars!

Almost all wars are the result of competition over resources, not religion.
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Prove it.
There is no mention in the Egyptian literature which is quite comprehensive about the "slaves that made the bricks" leaving, or the seven plagues or of a Pharoah who drowned with his army.

In the Sinai desert, archeologists have found campsites of Neanderthals from 10,000 years ago, but they have never found a trace of a whole people camping out in the desert for 40 years...

Here's another clue about the bible, dead people don't come back to life.....except in mythology...
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How old were Adam and Eve when they ate from the tree of knowledge?
Adam ate Lilith before he knew Eve!

According to Jewish folklore Lilith was Adam’s first wife. Though she is not mentioned in the Torah, over the centuries she became associated with Adam as a way to explain the fact that there are two contradictory versions of Creation in the book of Genesis.

Lilith and the Biblical Story of Creation

The biblical book of Genesis contains two contradictory accounts of humanity’s creation. The first account is known as the Priestly version and appears in Genesis 1:26-27. Here God fashions man and woman simultaneously when the text reads: “So God created mankind in the divine image, male and female God created them.”

The second account of Creation is known as the Yahwistic version and is found in Genesis 2. This is the version of Creation that most people are familiar with. God creates Adam, then places him in the Garden of Eden. Not long afterwards, God decides to make a companion for Adam and creates the animals of the land and sky to see if any of them are suitable partners for the man. God brings each animal to Adam, who names it before ultimately deciding that it is not a “suitable helper.” God then causes a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and while the man is sleeping God fashions Eve from his side. When Adam awakes he recognizes Eve as part of himself and accepts her as his companion.

Not surprisingly, the ancient rabbis noticed that two contradictory versions of Creation appear in the book of Genesis (which is called Bereisheet in Hebrew). They solved the discrepancy in two ways:

One was to explain that the first version of Creation actually referred to Adam’s first wife, a 'first Eve.' But Adam was displeased with her, so God replaced her with a 'second Eve' that met Adam's needs.

Another interpretation is that the Priestly account describes the creation of an androgyne – a creature that was both male and female (Genesis Rabbah 8:1, Leviticus Rabbah 14:1). This creature was then split into a man and a woman in the Yahwistic account. Learn more about this explanation in: What Was the Androgyne?

Although the tradition of two wives – two Eves – appears early on, this interpretation of Creation’s timeline was not associated with the character of Lilith until the medieval period, as we shall see in the next section.

Where Does the Legend of Lilith Come From?

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