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Old September 5th, 2016, 06:37 AM   #21
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Yeah, just having a little fun.

Another axiom of science is a preference for simplicity. Einstein worked diligently, and scientists today still do, for what is sometimes called a theory of everything. A mathamatical formula along the lines of his famous E equals mc(2).

One equation that ties together all forms of time, energy, matter and space. actually there is no objective reason to believe such an equation exists, but it just feels like it should. It's not objective,but it does fit into the pattern of modern science. Eg: newton's laws of motion, quantum mechanics, and einstein's special and general relativity.
We can see in my observation another form of bias, that humans look for patterns. And this is often a very useful way of making sense of things, but not always.
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We can see in my observation another form of bias, that humans look for patterns. And this is often a very useful way of making sense of things, but not always.
That isn't bias, that's a reasonable assumption to test based on experience. So many things do show a pattern that looking for patterns in other areas just makes sense.
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That isn't bias, that's a reasonable assumption to test based on experience. So many things do show a pattern that looking for patterns in other areas just makes sense.
I have seen this tendency of pattern attribution called bias on this very forum, in discussion attributing the tendency of humans to create religious explanations.

So, we see here a hypocritical form of bias. Where pattern bias is a positive when it supports what you want to believe and as a negative when the consequential conclusion takes you where you don't want to go.

It is reasonable and useful to look for patterns. As a survival mechanism it mostly serves us well, but not always. It can create racism, xeonophobia, and superstitions.
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I have seen this tendency of pattern attribution called bias on this very forum, in discussion attributing the tendency of humans to create religious explanations.

So, we see here a hypocritical form of bias. Where pattern bias is a positive when it supports what you want to believe and as a negative when the consequential conclusion takes you where you don't want to go.

It is reasonable and useful to look for patterns. As a survival mechanism it mostly serves us well, but not always. It can create racism, xeonophobia, and superstitions.
You are mixing two things here. Looking for a pattern is not bias. Seeing a pattern where none exists is bias.
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You are mixing two things here. Looking for a pattern is not bias. Seeing a pattern where none exists is bias.
Looking for patterns is unequivically absolutely a bias. Almost always a useful one, and one you can't escape, it's just the way our minds work. Your post reads like a fish who has no idea what water is because he never poked above the surface to experience anything else.

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Looking for patterns is unequically absolutely a bias. Almost always a useful one, and one you can't escape, it's just the way our minds work. Your post reads like a fish who has no idea what water is because he never poked above the surface to experience anything else.
If it's almost always useful, why is it a bias? You keep making this fish/water analogy and it is meaningless.

Bias - prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. (From Dictionary.com)

How is it prejudice or unfair?
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If it's almost always useful, why is it a bias? You keep making this fish/water analogy and it is meaningless.

Bias - prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. (From Dictionary.com)

How is it prejudice or unfair?
Unfair refers to more of a social construct. In terms of science fairness or unfairness are irrelevant subjective terms. Objectivity doesn't care about fairness. If you care about how you feel about the result of an experiment testing a hypothesis you are by definition biased.
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Unfair refers to more of a social construct. In terms of science fairness or unfairness are irrelevant subjective terms. Objectivity doesn't care about fairness. If you care about how you feel about the result of an experiment testing a hypothesis you are by definition biased.
Which may have all kinds of things to do with the price of tea in China, but I don't see how your post relates to this thread at all.

Why are you discussing social constructs?
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Which may have all kinds of things to do with the price of tea in China, but I don't see how your post relates to this thread at all.

Why are you discussing social constructs?
You brought it up. I thought it would be polite to respond.

I didn't expect to have to explain what bias means in a science context.
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You brought it up. I thought it would be polite to respond.

I didn't expect to have to explain what bias means in a science context.
I brought up social constructs? I brought up bias in science?

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