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Old September 5th, 2016, 11:35 AM   #31
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How can anyone discuss the scientific method without discussing bias?

Objectivity, blind studies, peer review.. They are all supposed to be about reducing bias.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #32
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I do have a failure to understand it when I run into emotional responses in discussing objectivity and bias.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 04:07 PM   #33
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we can observe
The key word being "we". If some organization operating under the auspices of "science" makes a claim about..say..DNA, you nor I can observe and verify because we don't have the equipment to do so. We either believe what they say because it's packaged up and sold as "scientific" or we don't.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 04:58 PM   #34
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Ideally science is objective. Which means reducing bias. I say reducing , not eliminating. Total elimination of all bias is not humanly possible. Claiming you have no bias is either a lie or delusional.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 05:06 PM   #35
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The key word being "we". If some organization operating under the auspices of "science" makes a claim about..say..DNA, you nor I can observe and verify because we don't have the equipment to do so. We either believe what they say because it's packaged up and sold as "scientific" or we don't.
Good point. The element of trust in science is taking a lot of damage these days. From those promoting the global warming scam, the fbi crime lab scandals, and more.
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Bias does not enter into it unless you can prove (or at least strongly demonstrate) that bias somehow affected the results/conclusions of the scientific study in question.
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Good point. The element of trust in science is taking a lot of damage these days. From those promoting the global warming scam, the fbi crime lab scandals, and more.
Damage from the "global warming scam" is a scam in itself.

It is an attempt by the anti science wing of the political right wing to discredit substantiated science for political purposes.
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Bias does not enter into it unless you can prove (or at least strongly demonstrate) that bias somehow affected the results/conclusions of the scientific study in question.
The safeguards of the scientific method, blind studies, random variable, peer review, reproducibility, all assume bias which must be accounted for , for the hypothesis to be proven.

Presumption of innocence does not apply to scientific inquiry. It is objectivity that must be proven, not bias.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 09:25 PM   #39
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Analytical can be very subjective. As in introspection. My point in saying objective is to emphasize the removal of bias, personal or collective from the analysis of the object of study.

How about: The objective analysis of anything we observe.

Further discussion?
I had to go to Instructor School in the service many decades ago and the main thing I remember is objective and subjective reasoning. What I remember from that is subjective is bad and objective is good. Analytical means analysis and why I picked that word.
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Bias does not enter into it unless you can prove (or at least strongly demonstrate) that bias somehow affected the results/conclusions of the scientific study in question.
a double blind study precludes bias
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