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Old January 4th, 2017, 08:23 PM   #21
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I guess we're aware that we don't know. Anyone who claims to know, don't know sh#t.
Anyone who claims to know, don't know shit from shinola. : )
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Old January 4th, 2017, 09:15 PM   #23
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There is no such thing as an "Agnostic". Anyone who refers to themselves as agnostic doesn't understand what that word means.
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Anyone who claims to know, don't know shit from shinola. : )
I do, shinola tastes like shit.
Shit is not a good shoe polish.
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Old January 5th, 2017, 08:04 AM   #25
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There is no such thing as an "Agnostic". Anyone who refers to themselves as agnostic doesn't understand what that word means.
ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
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a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

Ok bleatsty what's your definition?
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What did he mean by this?
Science is very good at describing how things work. It's not good at all in explaining why things work, or why they are as they are such as: Why does a proton weigh what it does?

And as for origins, whether you subscribe to a steady-state universe, a Big Bang universe, a multiverse, you name it, science cannot account for the origin of the energy involved in all theories.
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It holds far more promise than religion does.
Just think about it some more. Even in a eternal steady state universe, how did it originate? Just saying "It's always been" is not science at all, and, can be neither proved nor disproved.
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I do, shinola tastes like shit.
Shit is not a good shoe polish.
Anyone who knows the difference between shit and shinola has been around the block. You have been around the block.
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Just think about it some more. Even in a eternal steady state universe, how did it originate? Just saying "It's always been" is not science at all, and, can be neither proved nor disproved.
It was recently shown that the speed of light was much faster in the early universe from studying supernovae. The speed of light is not a constant, hmm.
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Science is very good at describing how things work. It's not good at all in explaining why things work, or why they are as they are such as: Why does a proton weigh what it does?

And as for origins, whether you subscribe to a steady-state universe, a Big Bang universe, a multiverse, you name it, science cannot account for the origin of the energy involved in all theories.
That's because "why" is a loaded question; it presupposes that there is a reason that a proton weighs what it does.
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