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Old January 21st, 2018, 09:08 AM   #1
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A molecular geneticist destroys another myth about evolution.

Have you heard about those nylon-eating bacteria? Atheists point to it as proof of evolution. Well, let's hear what an expert has to say.

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/g...acteria-again/
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Old January 21st, 2018, 09:23 AM   #2
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"I'd like to point out that this is a filthy filthy lie." My goodness what is D.C.'s problem? That is not how to handle a discussion about science.

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Rather, what happens is point mutations (single base pair changes in the DNA) that alter the active site of the enzyme EII, an enzyme the bacteria already possess. EII’s normal function is to break down a substance that is chemically similar to nylon. Thus, the mutations slightly alter EII so it can break down nylon that is very similar to the substance it normally breaks down. Clearly, this is not an example of a gain of information mutation but rather an alteration of currently existing information.
That looks like a good scientific explanation. What is the point you are trying to make? Please copy and paste the words you think the expert said that refutes the concept of evolution?
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Old January 21st, 2018, 09:38 AM   #3
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It's a blog. Again no peer review. It's from Answers In Genesis. The author works for the Creation Museum in Kentucky.

"Information increasing" is a strawman.
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Old January 21st, 2018, 11:03 AM   #4
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The reason Bombastic is wrong is that he is foucusing on one type of mutation called a point mutation. This where one part of a base pair is changed for another. In that kind of mutation Bombastic is correct, there is no increase in genetic information.

But this not the only kind of mutation. Another kind is gene duplication where genes are duplicated. This results in more information and then when point mutations start altering the duplicated gene it results in more AND DIFFERENT information.
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 07:02 AM   #5
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Creationist fooled again by slick talking Bible salesman.... is more like it
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 07:28 AM   #6
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In the beginning of Protestantism, the Protestants thought science would reveal God. I think science is getting closer to that, but God is not what the bible says God is, and the Protestant problem is fighting against science because they desperately need the bible proven true, and cannot tolerate information that does not do that. They even get mad when science does prove the bible true because they want us to believe things happened miraculously, and not as a result of nature.

I have been listening to college lectures on history and maybe if they understood all the terrible wars and persecutions they would realize the evil of religion. God didn't become a loving and forgiving God until people's bellies were full. And Jews have a much better history of pursuing truth than Christians. Their wars have also been limited to fighting for one small piece of land. But God may take that away from them again, because of their sins.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 02:37 AM   #7
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Want to shut up a creationist?

Present scientific facts. Works almost every time.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 10:54 AM   #8
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Want to shut up a creationist?

Present scientific facts. Works almost every time.
You must run with a way more intelligent group of creationists than I do. When I try and present scientific facts they put their finger in their ears and shout "I love baby jeebus" or whatever.
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Wait a minute. I don't think there are any Christians in this thread? I think RNG has made a point. As non-Christians do not spend their evenings reading their bibles, Christians do not spend their time learning science. We need to build bridges and this can not be done by throwing rocks at each other.

Chardin, a Catholic priest who wrote the Phenomena of Man was forbidden to publish because the church said his work was full of flaws. His family had his book published after he died. Chardin said God is asleep in rocks and minerals, waking in plants and animals, to know self in man.

I think those who reject any notion of God are in error. There is universal order and it is pretty important we learn the laws and obey them. Only when we use the laws, do things go in our favor. Science is about learning those laws and how to use them.

If we had an agreement that the concept of a God is useful, then we could have more effective discussions of God's truth. However, if we belligerently insist there is no God, we can not reason with religious people, and we can not bridge between their understanding of how God works and science.
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