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Old September 10th, 2017, 11:34 AM   #311
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women are liars etc etc etc etc ad infinitum
Everyone lies, women just do it more because they can get away with it more often. Especially the attractive women.

You still can't prove this because by its exact nature this could only be supported through anecdotal evidence. As a side note I would ask you to make a point. You have made a statement but you have not given me a reason for why I should care. Without that crucial part of an argument or theory the discussion could go into any direction.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 11:30 AM   #312
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I know a guy. Women find him stunningly attractive. He is over 40 years old and once asked me for advice on how to ask a woman out because he has never had to because women always throw themselves at him. Women and alcohol have severely messed him up. He carries convictions for DUI and assault on a police officer. He lives in a rental in a bad neighborhood.

To save money he invited a waitress when we were having breakfast to move in with him. What he didn't know was she also worked as a prostitute. He also tried to dissuade her when she began making advances on him.

He woke one morning to find she had snuck into his room and was giving him oral. In the resulting hullabaloo she stole his slips for attending AA meetings that were supposed to get his driving license back. After he kicked her out she went to AA and spread scurrilous lies about him. Now people at AA he had counted as friends hate him.
Another anecdote!
Ask yourself why some women work as prostitutes to begin with! It's a relationship based on exploitation that would not even occur in societies where men and women have relatively equal status. Patriarchal societies created unequal hierarchies in a cultural shift that started 4 to 6000 years ago, setting up systems where women had one of two career choices: get married and hopefully marry as well as possible, or become a prostitute. Despite all the claptrap we hear about the modern age, the basic framework hasn't changed...and as societies become more and more unequal again, the effects are worse for women as they are for men. This is why polling data from eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Hungary and East Germany invariably shows that men rate the post-communist era much higher than women do! For women, the free for all capitalism that has replaced the state systems has been worse, because they had greater equality and report having had greater sexual freedom prior to the fall of the Iron Curtain.

And what you're asking with your friend's example is for a prostitute..in a black market illegal profession to make a lawful transaction for services provided. If he didn't know her background, why didn't he find out before he invited her over to spend the night in his apartment?
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Everyone lies, women just do it more because they can get away with it more often. Especially the attractive women.

You still can't prove this because by its exact nature this could only be supported through anecdotal evidence. As a side note I would ask you to make a point. You have made a statement but you have not given me a reason for why I should care. Without that crucial part of an argument or theory the discussion could go into any direction.
Women lie because they have to to survive in many cases. How many guys doing the burning martyr act here go about lying and exploiting women but scream bloody murder when the tables are turned!
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That is still a false equation on your part. Any kid saying he hates women or saying something which ought to be interpreted as misogyny, isn't the same as a Muslim forcing his wives to wear burkas and smacking them, as per the direction of mad mullah Muhammad himself.
In the quantifiable sense they are very clearly different.

On that same note are you then saying that these misogynist kids are a minority or a majority of western society? Then you must realize that you are making yourself to be a minority, by having these non-misogynist opinions. Because news flash, abuse of women among Muslims are through the roof and are not in any way a minority view within those societies.
I live in a multicultural, multi-ethnic neighbourhood that includes many Muslim immigrants, and all this crap about what it says in their book has as much to do with how they go about their lives in a new country as it does for how Christians live.

A few years ago, an infamous cover of Time Magazine featured a young woman who's nose had been cut off for violating some purity law or going to school etc.. The caption on the cover for the neverending Afghan War was "why we fight." this bullshit propaganda cover set up to justify the US occupation of Afghanistan failed to mention that the crime against this woman was committed by a US-sponsored Afghan warlord, or that life for women in Afghanistan has gotten worse/not better, since the Taleban was overthrown. At some point, if other nations and lands are dysfunctional and need to change, the change has to come from within..from their own people, NOT from foreign profit-driven intruders who know NOTHING about life on the ground!

So, when it comes to misogynists here pointing figures at misogynists over there somewhere, I just say fuckoff and clean up your own house!
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how do you know when a woman is lying?

their lips are moving.
Women never lie but fib. Women never sweat but glisten.
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Another anecdote!
Ask yourself why some women work as prostitutes to begin with! It's a relationship based on exploitation that would not even occur in societies where men and women have relatively equal status. Patriarchal societies created unequal hierarchies in a cultural shift that started 4 to 6000 years ago, setting up systems where women had one of two career choices: get married and hopefully marry as well as possible, or become a prostitute. Despite all the claptrap we hear about the modern age, the basic framework hasn't changed...and as societies become more and more unequal again, the effects are worse for women as they are for men. This is why polling data from eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Hungary and East Germany invariably shows that men rate the post-communist era much higher than women do! For women, the free for all capitalism that has replaced the state systems has been worse, because they had greater equality and report having had greater sexual freedom prior to the fall of the Iron Curtain.

And what you're asking with your friend's example is for a prostitute..in a black market illegal profession to make a lawful transaction for services provided. If he didn't know her background, why didn't he find out before he invited her over to spend the night in his apartment?
Yeah, he made a mistake. But that doesn't justify her actions any more than a short skirt justifies rape.
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Yeah, he made a mistake. But that doesn't justify her actions any more than a short skirt justifies rape.
Okay, but it's still one anecdote that doesn't justify a long-running thread vilifying the half of the population that has the least power and is most likely to experience violence of all sorts. The fact that some women are duplicitous and use the system for their own advantages shouldn't be surprising, and would be less of a problem in a more equal society where women could make choices and live meaningful lives without feeling a need to use cunning and deceit to succeed.
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Okay, but it's still one anecdote that doesn't justify a long-running thread vilifying the half of the population that has the least power and is most likely to experience violence of all sorts. The fact that some women are duplicitous and use the system for their own advantages shouldn't be surprising, and would be less of a problem in a more equal society where women could make choices and live meaningful lives without feeling a need to use cunning and deceit to succeed.
Women have the least power?

Not in my lifetime.
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Women have the least power?

Not in my lifetime.
The political and economic systems are still based on a patriarchal framework that had been liberalized for a couple of generations to try to balance out some of the avaricious tendencies of capitalism...that favours the rich over the poor and the strong over the weak, but for the past 30 years, we have been heading backwards to the old ways.

So, like I said before, you should expect that a lot of women who want to live the good life, and don't have advantages of a university education and rich parents to fall back on, will become hustlers looking for rubes who think they can buy easy sex on the cheap....and then you can continue complaining about all the women who are lying!
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