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Old August 17th, 2016, 05:19 PM   #11
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Interesting but that would make me further question the criteria used. and/or the definition of poverty being used.
As long as this is going on, there is no valid argument for any amount of welfare someone in poverty may be receiving.

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The true abusers of the system are welfare queens alright, but they aren't black women living in hotels after a hurricane.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 06:07 PM   #12
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As long as this is going on, there is no valid argument for any amount of welfare someone in poverty may be receiving.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-jli8LUmeWRp6g

The true abusers of the system are welfare queens alright, but they aren't black women living in hotels after a hurricane.
That, IMO is a different problem. Not saying it isn't a serious problem, but it is a deflection from the subject of this thread.
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As long as this is going on, there is no valid argument for any amount of welfare someone in poverty may be receiving.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-jli8LUmeWRp6g

The true abusers of the system are welfare queens alright, but they aren't black women living in hotels after a hurricane.

Most of us can agree that every system--every government--every corporation has some type of waste/corruption. We live in an imperfect world and we certainly don't agree on how money should be spent. There will always be those who look for a way to scam the system, but there is a bigger question that I will pose to those who want to do away with our social services entirely....to those who honestly endorse the survival of the fittest society.
In a civilized, enlightened communities should we let people starve? Die? Live in filth and poverty?
From our beginnings there were social dynamics which allowed societies to form alliances and from those alliances came sharing food, shelter, responsibilities, medicine, childcare. And from a Christian stand point we have no choice but to care for the poor--share what we have.
Those in our society who are so hell-bent on cutting social services can certainly tell us about those who scam us, but they can't seem to answer the question of what to DO about those who don't.
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Most of us can agree that every system--every government--every corporation has some type of waste/corruption. We live in an imperfect world and we certainly don't agree on how money should be spent. There will always be those who look for a way to scam the system, but there is a bigger question that I will pose to those who want to do away with our social services entirely....to those who honestly endorse the survival of the fittest society.
In a civilized, enlightened communities should we let people starve? Die? Live in filth and poverty?
From our beginnings there were social dynamics which allowed societies to form alliances and from those alliances came sharing food, shelter, responsibilities, medicine, childcare. And from a Christian stand point we have no choice but to care for the poor--share what we have.
Those in our society who are so hell-bent on cutting social services can certainly tell us about those who scam us, but they can't seem to answer the question of what to DO about those who don't.
In the electrical industry it is called leading or lagging on the grid. Leading means capacitive and lagging means inductive. It is much cheaper and more effective to have your manufacturing plant lagging that eases pressure on the grid.

edit: called power factor
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Interesting but that would make me further question the criteria used. and/or the definition of poverty being used.
Ding ding ding another winner. Agreed with you twice in a weeks time I believe.
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As long as this is going on, there is no valid argument for any amount of welfare someone in poverty may be receiving.

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The true abusers of the system are welfare queens alright, but they aren't black women living in hotels after a hurricane.
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That, IMO is a different problem. Not saying it isn't a serious problem, but it is a deflection from the subject of this thread.
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Here you go. This is a big problem with the federal poverty guidelines. It is proof that the fed wants as many people as possible on food stamps or some sort of welfare. It is all about authority and control.

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The Census Bureau’s poverty thresholds are the same nationwide, with no separate figures for different states, metropolitan areas, or cities.
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Most of us can agree that every system--every government--every corporation has some type of waste/corruption. We live in an imperfect world and we certainly don't agree on how money should be spent. There will always be those who look for a way to scam the system, but there is a bigger question that I will pose to those who want to do away with our social services entirely....to those who honestly endorse the survival of the fittest society.
In a civilized, enlightened communities should we let people starve? Die? Live in filth and poverty?
From our beginnings there were social dynamics which allowed societies to form alliances and from those alliances came sharing food, shelter, responsibilities, medicine, childcare. And from a Christian stand point we have no choice but to care for the poor--share what we have.
Those in our society who are so hell-bent on cutting social services can certainly tell us about those who scam us, but they can't seem to answer the question of what to DO about those who don't.
Clara, I am now about to accuse you of a tactic more often used by the right. The assumption that an all or nothing position is being advocated. I am not, and have never advocated eliminating social services. What I am advocating is better monitoring and yes, I am in favor of a system somewhat like workfare. I think it is absolutely wrong to just give. People receiving aid would need to show up at job applying classes or whatever. Others could be made to work in a daycare for those who go to these classes. There could be job training and so on.

Yes, it would require some administration, but would it really be more than is currently there?
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As long as this is going on, there is no valid argument for any amount of welfare someone in poverty may be receiving.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-jli8LUmeWRp6g

The true abusers of the system are welfare queens alright, but they aren't black women living in hotels after a hurricane.
How many $Trillions have been spent on Johnson's "ware of poverty" without the slightest improvement? Other than create costly bureaucracies.
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