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Old June 3rd, 2017, 07:53 PM   #41
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If the Confederates were losers, then the Founders were losers. If one believes either one, they would probably be more comfortable in North Korea or China.
They were losers, they lost, they had their slaves taken away.
They died for nothing.
They get no honor, no glory, they were the villains, and they were defeated.
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They were losers, they lost, they had their slaves taken away.
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They get no honor, no glory, they were the villains, and they were defeated.
There goes another victim of the public school system vomiting up statist rhetoric.
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They died for nothing.
They get no honor, no glory, they were the villains, and they were defeated.
They were the villains? How so? You would have to believe that the, so-called, Civil War was about nothing else other than slavery. As history shows us, it was about far more than slavery. Slavery being only one aspect of secession. The Confederacy stood on firmer lawful ground for secession than the colonies did for the War of Independence from England.
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They are Maoism in 1945-1958. Or Lill Kim in N.Korea in newest history.
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What's wrong with rewriting history? If history is originally written a certain way, and then later events add more context, wouldn't it be appropriate to look at the whole context while we are learning history?
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What's wrong with rewriting history? If history is originally written a certain way, and then later events add more context, wouldn't it be appropriate to look at the whole context while we are learning history?
Adding context to history with newly discovered historical documents and artifacts is different than re-writing history. Re-writing history to force it to reflect an ideology or re-writing history through the lens of presentism is not acceptable.

It is re-writing history. It is looking at history through presentism. That is re-writing The re-writing of history regarding the Civil War coincidentally started during the civil rights era to reflect on that movement.
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They were the villains? How so? You would have to believe that the, so-called, Civil War was about nothing else other than slavery. As history shows us, it was about far more than slavery. Slavery being only one aspect of secession. The Confederacy stood on firmer lawful ground for secession than the colonies did for the War of Independence from England.

Slavery wasn't one aspect of secession; it was the very reason for it. Whatever the legalities, this was the reason. Nothing else!
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Why is this thread titled rewriting history?

Unfortunately, having a statue of Jackson is terribly insensitive considering his position on slavery. Today, should we honor such men? I seriously don't think so. Deciding someone who promoted slavery should not be honored, is not rewriting history. No one is trying to write that history differently, but they are saying that history is not honorable, and surely it is not.
Andrew Jackson is also the one who unleashed the Indian Wars in the south..a genocidal forced expulsion of Choctaw, Creek, Chickasaw, Seminole and the Cherokee's from what is today's southern states. There are likely a few other tribes eradicated that I forgot to mention, but if Americans want to teach their history then teach the whole Goddammed history, including eradicating native populations..cleansing a continent of people, and filling it with enslaved farm, domestic and even industrial labor! This is why it's foolish to deny that America wasn't an empire and had dreams of imperial expansion right from the beginning. The main reason why America was 'isolationist' and wanted mostly to be uninvolved with Europe's and the rest of the world's problems was because it wasn't until the mid-19th century that they started running out of open space and lands and resources to exploit. Once they did start settling the continent, than it was on to overseas colonialization like every other empire!

AMERICA: built with free labor on stolen land! Like it or lump it this July 4th!....no I don't celebrate Canada Day either!

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Slavery wasn't one aspect of secession; it was the very reason for it. Whatever the legalities, this was the reason. Nothing else!
We've even discovered previously undisclosed notes and documents from the leaders of the Confederate States of America that inform about their plans to overrun Brazil and Mexico to establish slave colonies there...so pretending this wasn't about slavery is a joke!

Worth noting that...although the northern states and England wanted to keep publicly separated from slavery, on an economic level, they also benefited from the slave industry of the South, since most of the cheap cotton...the most valuable product at that time...was shipped to textile mills in the north and over to England to make clothing and other materials.
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