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Old June 4th, 2017, 10:51 PM   #81
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I can't quite work out if you are levelling 'insolence' and 'cookie-cutter, pre-packaged history' at me. If you did mean me, I didn't wish to be insolent and don't believe I was being - I would suggest you try the same. As for 'cookie-cutter history', I have no need to justify my credentials to you; let me just say you are way off.

Once again, thank you for proving my point. Even a cursory scan of the document reveals the fundamental disagreement and cause of secession emirates from slavery.

Again, please provide evidence that slavery wasn't the principle cause


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Old June 5th, 2017, 01:06 AM   #82
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Aimed at you, Arturius.
Still not answering the question though Jimmy.

Am I missing something with 'Arturius' - some sort of dig?
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Old June 5th, 2017, 01:34 AM   #83
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My ancestors were never held in bondage that I know of but can sympathize with them wanting to demo the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. I have a great great great Uncle who fought for the Union and got killed in battle and if they get reparations then I want reparations too.
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So what makes someone an "enlightened historian"? I enjoy learning about history. I can even call myself a "history buff." Do I have to have some professional job related to history, such as a teacher or archaeologist, as well as have some training from progressive educational institutions, in order to be an "enlightened historian"?
I would define an enlightened historian as someone skilled and preferably trained in the science of gathering and weighing the meaning and value of a wide variety of primary historical sources, and then applying the important questions both in historical context and in contrast with the cultural context of others of the same skill.

What about a Civil War fanatic, you say. Is such a person an enlightened historian? Answer: I don't know from a hypothetical. Cramming one's head full of facts does not make one a historian. It is knowing how to ask the right questions.

Here's an example: Everyone who claims to be a Civil War buff has at least read the Gettysburg Address--if not, then they don't pass the first muster. But a genuine enlightened historian would ask this among other questions. In what ways and to what extent was Lincoln addressing the deep concerns and values of both sides of the conflict? OR... in what ways was the 1860 South Carolina secessionist convention similar to and yet different from the Hartford secessionist convention of 1815, or the Nullification Crisis of 1832? OR... how (dare I say) American secession from the British Empire beginning in 1776?
To explore these kinds of questions competently, you would have to be familiar with primary sources such as the 1815 Hartford Resolutions, or Calhoun's South Carolina Exposition and Protest, or Edmund Burke's address to Parliament concerning Tory-led Anglo-American policy. And in a modern context, how do these movements compare and contrast with, let's say, Crimea's late secession from Ukraine?

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Still not answering the question though Jimmy.

Am I missing something with 'Arturius' - some sort of dig?
Arcturus is the brightest star in the constellation Bootes and a Red Giant which makes our Sun look like a frog sitting on a bump on a log. I think jimmyB misspelled Arcturus.
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The document regarded the Constitution. Coal, tractors, wages, or any other method of producing, manufacturing, industry, etc. could be substituted for slavery.
But those things weren't being substituted for slavery. The document was saying the Constitution protected their slavery.
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I did like flags more than Constitution.
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I did like flags more than Constitution.
Making America Great Again was his campaign slogan in 16 and Trump said his campaign slogan in 20 will be Keeping America Great. Trump has huevos which mean eggs in Spanish but the intended word is balls in English. No hablo espanol y no hablo ingles.

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Trump doing very well so far.

Maybe war Vs Venezuela needs all Marines to South America.
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Still not answering the question though Jimmy.

Am I missing something with 'Arturius' - some sort of dig?
When Jimmy runs out of argument, he posts non sequiters.

It means he lives in his 6000 year old Universe, his world where benevolent slave owners nurtured and coddled their slaves and provided them with a much better life than black people have to suffer through today....until the evil yankees did the devils work and cast us down to the point where we as a nation can be fooled into believing the Chinese Hoax call "Global Warming"
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