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Old January 26th, 2017, 09:57 AM   #1
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After having seen the image posted below I did some further searching and still can't decide if the philosopher being interviewed was truly serious or not, but this type of thinking just infuriates me.

He is implying that reading your kids a bedtime story is giving them an unfair advantage over the kids with less caring or attentive parent(s). Good for them, IMO.



I couldn't find the exact text of this image but it is all in the following webpage.

Is having a loving family an unfair advantage? - The Philosopher's Zone - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

This is ABC as in Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
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Old January 26th, 2017, 11:19 AM   #2
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After having seen the image posted below I did some further searching and still can't decide if the philosopher being interviewed was truly serious or not, but this type of thinking just infuriates me.

He is implying that reading your kids a bedtime story is giving them an unfair advantage over the kids with less caring or attentive parent(s). Good for them, IMO.



I couldn't find the exact text of this image but it is all in the following webpage.

Is having a loving family an unfair advantage? - The Philosopher's Zone - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

This is ABC as in Australian Broadcasting Corporation.


Goodness gracious. I hate to state the obvious but there's no level playing field in this world---not for adults--not for children--not for illness or death or weather or anything else. Some parents are equipped to raise children and some aren't, so some children grow up in a loving, supportive, education-based home and some grow up in an abusive, violent, addiction-based home. There's no way to know how those children are going to turn out.
As a teacher, I had children who were raised in beautiful homes. Their parents were caring, sweet people--educated--church-going. These parents did everything right and their children were hell on wheels--into drugs, gangs, you name it. I also had parents who were in and out of jail, drugs, alcohol--unloving, inattentive and selfish and their kids had an inner strength that got them through childhood--into college/vocational school---and into marriage, good jobs and raising kids of their own. I've stayed in touch with many of them.
So does it come back to nature v nurture?? Environment? Education? None of which are doled out in a fair and just way.
Sometimes it just IS what it IS. I never figured it out. Mr. Clara and I have two sons who are as different as night and day--always were and always will be.....go figure.

Funny story and I've got a million--as you can imagine. I had a little boy in school who was an only child. Father was pastor at a very large Lutheran Church in town. Mother was a stay-at-home mom. Both parents were about the kindest, most loving people I've ever had the pleasure to know. They were over-the-moon crazy about little Tommy and Tommy was a devil in disguise. From the time that child was a toddler he hit, spit, threw things, lied and taunted other children. It just got worse as he got into school. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the child--no bi-polar disorder--no ADD--no mental problems (at least according to his doctors) but OH HE WAS ornery. One day I was driving home from school and there was Tommy lying in the street under his bicycle covered with what looked like blood. I pulled over and ran to that child. His eyes popped open and he said "HAA HAA! I fooled you!" The kiddo had covered himself in ketchup. I pulled him up off the street and swatted his little butt--put the bike in my trunk and drove him to his house--the Lutheran parsonage. Of course this was years ago when teachers were encouraged to give a little swat when needed. His parents were horrified and apologized over and over--those poor people. About a year later, they moved to another parish. I've always wondered what happened to little Tommy. LOL
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Goodness gracious. I hate to state the obvious but there's no level playing field in this world---not for adults--not for children--not for illness or death or weather or anything else. Some parents are equipped to raise children and some aren't, so some children grow up in a loving, supportive, education-based home and some grow up in an abusive, violent, addiction-based home. There's no way to know how those children are going to turn out.
As a teacher, I had children who were raised in beautiful homes. Their parents were caring, sweet people--educated--church-going. These parents did everything right and their children were hell on wheels--into drugs, gangs, you name it. I also had parents who were in and out of jail, drugs, alcohol--unloving, inattentive and selfish and their kids had an inner strength that got them through childhood--into college/vocational school---and into marriage, good jobs and raising kids of their own. I've stayed in touch with many of them.
So does it come back to nature v nurture?? Environment? Education? None of which are doled out in a fair and just way.
Sometimes it just IS what it IS. I never figured it out. Mr. Clara and I have two sons who are as different as night and day--always were and always will be.....go figure.

Funny story and I've got a million--as you can imagine. I had a little boy in school who was an only child. Father was pastor at a very large Lutheran Church in town. Mother was a stay-at-home mom. Both parents were about the kindest, most loving people I've ever had the pleasure to know. They were over-the-moon crazy about little Tommy and Tommy was a devil in disguise. From the time that child was a toddler he hit, spit, threw things, lied and taunted other children. It just got worse as he got into school. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the child--no bi-polar disorder--no ADD--no mental problems (at least according to his doctors) but OH HE WAS ornery. One day I was driving home from school and there was Tommy lying in the street under his bicycle covered with what looked like blood. I pulled over and ran to that child. His eyes popped open and he said "HAA HAA! I fooled you!" The kiddo had covered himself in ketchup. I pulled him up off the street and swatted his little butt--put the bike in my trunk and drove him to his house--the Lutheran parsonage. Of course this was years ago when teachers were encouraged to give a little swat when needed. His parents were horrified and apologized over and over--those poor people. About a year later, they moved to another parish. I've always wondered what happened to little Tommy. LOL
Yes, there are anomalies, but there is a statistically significant better outcome with kids who were regularly read to. My issue is this guy claiming it is unfair to give these kids that kind of advantage.

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/v...-bedtime-story
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Old January 26th, 2017, 04:31 PM   #4
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Yes, there are anomalies, but there is a statistically significant better outcome with kids who were regularly read to. My issue is this guy claiming it is unfair to give these kids that kind of advantage.

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/v...-bedtime-story
i have issue with the same concept.

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‘I don’t think parents reading their children bedtime stories should constantly have in their minds the way that they are unfairly disadvantaging other people’s children, but I think they should have that thought occasionally,’ quips Swift.

‘We should accept that lots of stuff that goes on in healthy families—and that our theory defends—will confer unfair advantage,’ he says.
this is crap. its not unfair at all, it is entirely fair. every parent has the opportunity to read to their child. those who choose not to are denying their child opportunities (and denying themselves too for that matter). to say that reading to your child is "unfairly disadvantaging" some strangers child is absurd.

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Yes, there are anomalies, but there is a statistically significant better outcome with kids who were regularly read to. My issue is this guy claiming it is unfair to give these kids that kind of advantage.

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/v...-bedtime-story


YEP--I get it, and I agree with you. I guess the 'guy' can claim whatever he wants, but we all know that parenting is the toughest job in the world and MOST decent, reasonable people WANT their children to have an advantage. There's not much we can do about parents who don't give a crap.
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