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Old October 7th, 2017, 05:00 PM   #41
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You cannot force someone to respect you. Respect should be given freely until we know the character of those we gave it to.

This PC culture is cancer. Political Correctness is something invented by the RW fringe. It doesn't even have a definition. It's a slippery concept that the Right pulls out when they need a defense mechanism. Opposition to political correctness has proved itself a highly effective form of crypto-politics. It's a growing intolerance and I'm surprised YOU of all people (the anarchist) just eat it up.

-i think that you are confusing Americans w/ Muslims. Do you actually think that your daughters will be treated with the same respect as their white male counterparts? That they will receive equal treatment--equal pay--equal rights? AND if they go into politics or marry into politics, Daddy, do you want their picture photoshopped into an ape?

- cultural Marxism Again? AND Again? There's the same old tired phrase every time someone disagrees with the RW mantras. Should I turn around and call you a Fascist??

- who says that? Racists NEVER EVER think they are racist, but they are. We've seen plenty of examples on DTT.

- i think the word you meant to use there is entitled. If the word entitled makes you happier then let's go with that. Great. Fine. Entitled.

- again your terminology is off here or maybe you could explain what you mean by
"deserves". My terminology is just peachy. The wealthy think they earned it--no matter HOW they got it--because they are special. Look at Trump.

- your god, i guess you would know. God is not MY God. God is everyone's God if they want God. Obviously, you aren't interested or couldn't think of anything more clever to say.
I think I can bring this all together and believe this could actually blossom into a constructive conversation.

I firmly believe that respect is earned NOT given. Gone are the days of respecting authority for the sake of authority. I still hold open doors, pull out chairs exc but that is manners. Political correctness is just an offshoot of the cultural Marxism that is in full effect right now. If you are not familiar please check out both the Fabian society and the Frankfurt school. I would post links but there would be a justified assumption that they would be biased. I honestly don't think that you know what is going on in our schools now days they have literally gone beyond left leaning political bias. Just the other day one of my daughters said that she would hate being a white boy in the minneapolis school system. The thing is many of the kids are catching onto the bullshit. In one of their classes they were given a pronoun option on their introduction forms for the teacher...you know what do you like to do? Favorite subject exc... About 1/2 of the class (according to my kid and a few of her friends) chose "they" not because that is how they "identified" but because they felt it would be funny and confusing for the teacher.

Racists are racists, this is true but it is not as large of a problem a the media is trying to make it out to be. Calling everyone a sexist, racist, nazi is diluting those terms. They are loosing their meaning. This is more cultural Marxism.

Lumping all of the successful people together and then attempting to make it an us against them is just more socialism. What happened to the pull yourself up by your bootstraps that this nation was founded upon? That we were raised w/? Why are we trying to raise a society of pussies?

Yeah, the god thing was just trying to end on a cheap joke. I think religious people are silly.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 05:09 PM   #42
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So you're saying you live in the United States, and you've never seen racism?
Not even a little bit?
You just might be the least perceptive person I have ever encountered.

Nope, I said experienced. I have defiantly seen it. I just think its cute when old white people have their white guilt reactions.

Where are citizens of this nation being denied "their rights"? Because it that is happening where you live it must really suck there.

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I dunno. It must really suck where you live. I have never really experienced racism or maybe i did but i was a pretty shitty kid and ran w/ a rough crowd. I guess i just assumed all of the profiling was justified. I do get a bit freaked out when we go to Oklahoma but that is more of a cultural thing.

Since i got older i have moved around the country and never really experienced racism or profiling though i dress well and speak proper english as do the majority of my non white associates and family members.

I guess racist people see the world thru racist lenses.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 06:45 PM   #43
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Nope, I said experienced. I have defiantly seen it. I just think its cute when old white people have their white guilt reactions.

Where are citizens of this nation being denied "their rights"? Because it that is happening where you live it must really suck there.
There are people in prison, who wouldn't be if they were white.
There are people told "the unit was already rented" who would be rented the unit if they were white.
There are people who are being told,the job is already filled, who would get the job if they were white.

That happens here, and it happens all over the US.
It's a part of the US culture, it's changing slowly, it's better than it was, it will be better in the future, but it's still there.
And people have to acknowledge that it's a problem that needs to be solved, because those who ignore it, who deny it's existence, perpetuate it.
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There are people in prison, who wouldn't be if they were white.
There are people told "the unit was already rented" who would be rented the unit if they were white.
There are people who are being told,the job is already filled, who would get the job if they were white.

That happens here, and it happens all over the US.
It's a part of the US culture, it's changing slowly, it's better than it was, it will be better in the future, but it's still there.
And people have to acknowledge that it's a problem that needs to be solved, because those who ignore it, who deny it's existence, perpetuate it.

There are a number of people in jail who shouldn't be there at all regardless of race. We just stuff people in boxes here especially if they are poor. It is an entire cluster fuck.


There are laws against those other things even though I think that they are silly. Would you really want to work or live someplace that you were unwanted no matter the reason?

My friends own a Vietnamese resturant there is no way they would hire a non Asian person who could be seen by the public. (white people think all Asians look the same they say). Should they be forced to hire Sally McFarland?

There is women housing, gay housing, no smoking, no drinking small complexes. Are they OK?

What about the family that owns a fourplex and live in one of the units? Should they not be allowed to screen the people that share their building however they choose?

My point is two fold. Of course there are racist assholes but I don't think they are as wide spread as it is being made out to be. When I drank and was bartender people became much more comfortable and would forget to "turn their heads" before jokes and things along those lines but IMO that is far from cutting up their sheets and burning crosses. Though there has been a recent uprising of right leaning, white identity politics. This is a natural reaction to the extremely anti white man left leaning identity politics. Both are equally as bad IMO and are terrible for society. This will either fizzle out or end up really bad. I hope the first. But I digress. That is not the point I was trying to make.

My point is that people are naturally tribal. They desire to be around similar people. What do we gain as a society from forcing them to go against their natural tendencies?
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There are a number of people in jail who shouldn't be there at all regardless of race. We just stuff people in boxes here especially if they are poor. It is an entire cluster fuck.


There are laws against those other things even though I think that they are silly. Would you really want to work or live someplace that you were unwanted no matter the reason?

My friends own a Vietnamese resturant there is no way they would hire a non Asian person who could be seen by the public. (white people think all Asians look the same they say). Should they be forced to hire Sally McFarland?

There is women housing, gay housing, no smoking, no drinking small complexes. Are they OK?

What about the family that owns a fourplex and live in one of the units? Should they not be allowed to screen the people that share their building however they choose?

My point is two fold. Of course there are racist assholes but I don't think they are as wide spread as it is being made out to be. When I drank and was bartender people became much more comfortable and would forget to "turn their heads" before jokes and things along those lines but IMO that is far from cutting up their sheets and burning crosses. Though there has been a recent uprising of right leaning, white identity politics. This is a natural reaction to the extremely anti white man left leaning identity politics. Both are equally as bad IMO and are terrible for society. This will either fizzle out or end up really bad. I hope the first. But I digress. That is not the point I was trying to make.

My point is that people are naturally tribal. They desire to be around similar people. What do we gain as a society from forcing them to go against their natural tendencies?
The racist nature of American culture goes beyond jokes people tell when they think they can get away with it.
It's a law enforcement institution aimed at the poor and people of color, it's the most incarcerated population in the history of the world.
It's a political system that values some votes much more than others, and seeks to put barriers to voting in the way of some people but not others.
And it's a set of stereotypes ingrained in the culture that do affect the behavior of people, oh not every single person, but enough so the effect is palpable.

And you're for that or you're against it.
And I'm against it and you claim you don't see the difference.
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Yes, folks tend to form opinions and learn form their parents. I wonder what would kind of a society would develop if it were possible to take a bunch of children from all the races and let them develop on a secluded island devoid of any previously formed opinions or prejudices.
As you know, the USA has never recovered from the propaganda for slavery, and its people are totally obsessed by this weird 'race' bullshit. All the children in the experiment would, as you know, belong only to the one human race, and if they spoke the same language would get on fine.
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but law can force you to ACT in a respectful manner publicly and treat those who demean, demonize and dehumanize pick-the-minority-of-your-choice with harsh penalties.

I like that.
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but law can force you to ACT in a respectful manner publicly and treat those who demean, demonize and dehumanize pick-the-minority-of-your-choice with harsh penalties.

I like that.
Yes, we need approved speech laws and laws against hurting peoples feelings comrade! For instance, the government should come out with an approved language list. This would solidify our position as a free state..
Communism now!
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but law can force you to ACT in a respectful manner publicly and treat those who demean, demonize and dehumanize pick-the-minority-of-your-choice with harsh penalties.

I like that.
Be careful of what you wish for. That may happen, just not in a way that is in your favor.

Sippery slope my little socialist, slippery slope.
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Yes, we need approved speech laws and laws against hurting peoples feelings comrade! For instance, the government should come out with an approved language list. This would solidify our position as a free state..
Communism now!
Yes, we live in a society where people find it impossible to make distinctions from all or nothing.

No greys in this society - everything has to be black or white. No compromises.

What utter ignorant bullshit.
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