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Old October 8th, 2017, 12:35 PM   #51
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The racist nature of American culture goes beyond jokes people tell when they think they can get away with it.
It's a law enforcement institution aimed at the poor and people of color, it's the most incarcerated population in the history of the world.
It's a political system that values some votes much more than others, and seeks to put barriers to voting in the way of some people but not others.
And it's a set of stereotypes ingrained in the culture that do affect the behavior of people, oh not every single person, but enough so the effect is palpable.

And you're for that or you're against it.
And I'm against it and you claim you don't see the difference.
I can see you didn't really understand my post. That is unfortunate.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 12:53 PM   #52
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Any rightwingers who say that blacks should vote Republican are either joking or living in 1865! Obviously, the Party that has decided since at least 04 to work directly against the interests of non-whites isn't being serious. But, for a long time, the Democrats have taken black voters for granted because of this. They even have a name for it! Democratic strategists refer to black voters as a "captive constituency!" Well, nobody makes deals or does much to help captives, and the Democrats are no different!

One of the many reasons for the failure of the 1.2 billion dollar Clinton Campaign for the White House was because a significant number of black voters are getting pissed off and either not bothering to wait in long lines at the limited number of polling stations or looking around for other options than just checking the box for Democratic candidates. Problem is the Democrats have gotten lazy and forgotten most of their base of support in the chase for big money donors and rewards afterwards...when they set up their foundations and go on their speaking tours.

After two terms of Barack Obama in the White House, household wealth of black families continued to decline, nothing was done besides lamentations and finger-wagging about the disproportionate percentage of blacks being killed by police, privatization of public schools through the charter schooling scam got assistance from the Feds, a healthcare compromise with the insurance industry was pushed instead of a guaranteed national healthcare plan, and a large percentage of homeowners who got foreclosed upon because they found they were stuck with 'liar' loans after the housing meltdown were black. There was no meaningful bailout of underwater mortgage holders, while Wall Street has been given trillions in free money...otherwise known as quantitative easing.

So, if I was black in America I'd be thinking that the Democratic Party either needs the same kind of revolution crazy tea-partiers do to the Republicans OR it has to be abandoned for a third party option. Right now the Two Party System is a choice between the White Party and the Big Tent - Do-Nothing Party that wants your vote but only listens to big money donors when they're setting policy goals.
I think that Black folks need to collectively focus on building wealth, instead of depending on politicians. Representative politics has proven to be a dead end, whereas having wealth means that your voice will be heard.

As soon as White liberals began blaming Black ppl for Clinton's failure, it merely confirmed how much that party values Black ppl.
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I can see you didn't really understand my post. That is unfortunate.
I understood your post, you were asking what's the big deal about institutional racism, and supplying some lame examples of things that ignore the reality of the situation.
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Trump's the President, Obama is not. TRUMP has the power/ability to influence legislation, Obama does not.
Understand?
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Old October 8th, 2017, 02:58 PM   #55
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Yes, we live in a society where people find it impossible to make distinctions from all or nothing.

No greys in this society - everything has to be black or white. No compromises.

What utter ignorant bullshit.
When it comes to rather or not there should be a form of hate speech laws, then there is no compromise. I dont want you defining what I can and cant say. I dont want your Communist party deciding that one day if you disagree with the state then your in violation of the law. That not gray, that is Communist totalitarianism. My rights are not subject to the whims of your feelings
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I understood your post, you were asking what's the big deal about institutional racism, and supplying some lame examples of things that ignore the reality of the situation.
Yup, not a clue. It's ok.
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Yup, not a clue. It's ok.
You defended institutional racism, as something that should be accepted as a natural human trait.
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Yes, we live in a society where people find it impossible to make distinctions from all or nothing.

No greys in this society - everything has to be black or white. No compromises.

What utter ignorant bullshit.


The whole "respect is earned" is crap. Everyone deserves respect until they don't. That whole mantra doesn't even make sense.

If you don't KNOW someone, talk to someone, understand someone how can you withhold respect?? The "respect is earned" can't even begin unless you know someone well enough to assess their ethics, morals, standards, work ethic, life style......on and on. It's only AFTER we know someone well that we see their dark side...if they have one.

It's a ridiculous argument and WHO in their right mind (there's the key) intentionally wants to HURT someone through words or deeds if they don't even know them?? Makes no sense.
So again, respect should be given freely. Disrespect IS EARNED.

AND yes I agree with you Tristan. The GOP has become the party of black and white. It's all or nothing. It's zero or sixty. Ridiculous.
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I think that Black folks need to collectively focus on building wealth, instead of depending on politicians. Representative politics has proven to be a dead end, whereas having wealth means that your voice will be heard.
Who said "depending" on politicians? I'm talking about having votes that count and being able to have a representative share of the political process...which is essential for anyone who doesn't have wealth, or is low on the wealth ladder to even have a chance to succeed.

A recent Federal Reserve Report reveals..when wealth inequality is examined along racial demographics, that the black aggregate wealth was one seventeenth that of whites by the end of the Reagan Era..when the trend of money accumulating at the top really took off. Slowly that ratio got a little better...by 2010 it was 8 to 1; now it's back up to white household wealth at 13 times black households. Now a lot of this may be illusory since the rise in black wealth was due to the rise of black home-ownership, BUT the banking meltdown in 08 revealed that large numbers of those mortgages were fraudulent...so the money was never there in the first place! The same thing may be happening with the runup in white household wealth because whites are more likely to own stocks directly in a long surge of the stock markets...which I expect to vaporize some time real soon! So we'll see where we really are in a year or two.
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Matt Bruening of the People’s Policy Project analyzed data from the Federal Reserve report and showed the extreme degree of inequality within racial minority groups.

Among both African-American and Latino populations, roughly 65 percent own zero percent of the total wealth owned by their respective racial groups. The richest 10 percent of African-Americans own 75.3 percent of all wealth owned by African-Americans; the richest 10 percent of Latinos own 77.9 percent of all Latino wealth; and 74.6 percent of the wealth owned by whites is owned by the top 10 percent of whites
Identity politics and the growth of inequality within racial minorities - World Socialist Web Site
Now the wealth gap within different racial categories tells us a lot about the present dysfunction, because it shows why the leaders within black and latino communities keep trying to make the discussion all on race and never breath a word about class divisions! The last thing that richest 10% of blacks want is lower class blacks in solidarity with former white middle class who are on their way to poverty in many areas of the US. The black leaders kept heaping scorn on Sanders and any mention of a collective struggle against the rich because their ox would be gored also! So, they have more in common with upper class whites on economic issues than along any racial lines! And with the white right...as we witnessed with the rise of Trump, using race to gain votes from whites in decline, and black leaders putting up roadblocks to any socialist policies, the race divide remains entrenched even when both sides fight against their own economic interests!
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As soon as White liberals began blaming Black ppl for Clinton's failure, it merely confirmed how much that party values Black ppl.
That's not some generalized "white liberals!" Most white liberals aside from Clinton sycophants were convinced that the failure was with Clinton herself and the Democratic Party ruling establishment, which told all prospective candidates early to STAY OUT if they wanted to preserve their political careers. At first, Bernie wasn't taken seriously...until he won a few primaries, but instead of getting the message that there was a whole lot of potential voters demanding something better than a Clinton Coronation, the DNC pushed ahead and even went through the trouble of rigging primaries and caucuses to maintain a Clinton lead in elected delegates.

If they had to, they would have just applied the unelected superdelegates that had been locked up before the primaries even started...but the appearance of needing unelected party hacks to get the nomination would have weighed them down over the general election.

And, ever since she lost, there's been a neverending laundry list of excuses and bogus claims coming out with her book tour! First it was Bernie, then "bernie-bro's" even the black female bernie bros like Nina Turner apparently...then it was the Russians...for leaking the details of how Podesta and Clinton were fixing the nomination for her, then it was James Comey, low black voter turnout...now they latest Russian conspiracy theory is telling us that the Russians were sowing discord with a mere $100,000 worth of Facebook ads being used to promote Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other groups the establishment isn't comfortable with. Before, it was the Russians who were working behind the alt-right, so which is it?

But, all that bullshit comes from a loud Clinton machine that judging from what Peter Daou and David Brock's are doing, is still getting paid months after the Election for some reason.....2020? Whatever, there will be even fewer white voters...including liberals, interested in a third Clinton attempt than for the past two!
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I think that Black folks need to collectively focus on building wealth, instead of depending on politicians. Representative politics has proven to be a dead end, whereas having wealth means that your voice will be heard.

As soon as White liberals began blaming Black ppl for Clinton's failure, it merely confirmed how much that party values Black ppl.
That sentiment I agree with. I cant see black folk building much wealth though when our city cousins especially have been stuck in generations of welfare life. The cycle has to be broke somehow someway
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