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Old October 9th, 2017, 01:24 PM   #61
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That sentiment I agree with. I cant see black folk building much wealth though when our city cousins especially have been stuck in generations of welfare life. The cycle has to be broke somehow someway

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Old October 11th, 2017, 12:17 AM   #62
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The whole "respect is earned" is crap. Everyone deserves respect until they don't. That whole mantra doesn't even make sense.

If you don't KNOW someone, talk to someone, understand someone how can you withhold respect?? The "respect is earned" can't even begin unless you know someone well enough to assess their ethics, morals, standards, work ethic, life style......on and on. It's only AFTER we know someone well that we see their dark side...if they have one.

It's a ridiculous argument and WHO in their right mind (there's the key) intentionally wants to HURT someone through words or deeds if they don't even know them?? Makes no sense.
So again, respect should be given freely. Disrespect IS EARNED.

AND yes I agree with you Tristan. The GOP has become the party of black and white. It's all or nothing. It's zero or sixty. Ridiculous.
Common now sister Clara. Nobody on this earth deserves a single thing that they have not earned. Every person has a "dark side" some just choose to hide and stifle it instead of embracing it.

Now let's take a look at that respect that you are so hung up on.


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A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

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2 Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.
Which isn't "earned", but is due.
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Which isn't "earned", but is due.
I don't think that the phrase "due regard" means what you think that it does.
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I don't think that the phrase "due regard" means what you think that it does.
So, no manners, that explains so much.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 05:44 AM   #66
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Common now sister Clara. Nobody on this earth deserves a single thing that they have not earned. Every person has a "dark side" some just choose to hide and stifle it instead of embracing it.

Now let's take a look at that respect that you are so hung up on.





https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/respect

Thank you, Brother Sab, for the unsolicited advice. How about this?? I'll continue to respect all those I meet---a smile--a greeting--a "how are you today", and YOU can continue being a doofus.

NO--every person does NOT have a dark side. Quirky, yes. Struggling, yes.
Grumpy, yes. But not dark. Most of us are exactly the same. We have strengths and weaknesses. We are all fighting some kind of battle and can use a little kindness. I have wronged others and others have wronged me. WE need to forgive and forget....or at least try.
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Who said "depending" on politicians? I'm talking about having votes that count and being able to have a representative share of the political process...which is essential for anyone who doesn't have wealth, or is low on the wealth ladder to even have a chance to succeed.

A recent Federal Reserve Report reveals..when wealth inequality is examined along racial demographics, that the black aggregate wealth was one seventeenth that of whites by the end of the Reagan Era..when the trend of money accumulating at the top really took off. Slowly that ratio got a little better...by 2010 it was 8 to 1; now it's back up to white household wealth at 13 times black households. Now a lot of this may be illusory since the rise in black wealth was due to the rise of black home-ownership, BUT the banking meltdown in 08 revealed that large numbers of those mortgages were fraudulent...so the money was never there in the first place! The same thing may be happening with the runup in white household wealth because whites are more likely to own stocks directly in a long surge of the stock markets...which I expect to vaporize some time real soon! So we'll see where we really are in a year or two.
I don't really agree with the whole "identity politics" analysis. Race, class, and gender all intersect. A rich Black/Latino person is still just that, even if they don't realize it. I'm not saying that what the article said was wrong, but the analysis and conclusion was bullshit.

Wealthy White men tend to be the most employed, the wealthiest, and the most powerful. People like Obama are merely tokens, used to mask us all from the reality of gross inequality.

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That's not some generalized "white liberals!" Most white liberals aside from Clinton sycophants were convinced that the failure was with Clinton herself and the Democratic Party ruling establishment, which told all prospective candidates early to STAY OUT if they wanted to preserve their political careers. At first, Bernie wasn't taken seriously...until he won a few primaries, but instead of getting the message that there was a whole lot of potential voters demanding something better than a Clinton Coronation, the DNC pushed ahead and even went through the trouble of rigging primaries and caucuses to maintain a Clinton lead in elected delegates.

If they had to, they would have just applied the unelected superdelegates that had been locked up before the primaries even started...but the appearance of needing unelected party hacks to get the nomination would have weighed them down over the general election.

And, ever since she lost, there's been a neverending laundry list of excuses and bogus claims coming out with her book tour! First it was Bernie, then "bernie-bro's" even the black female bernie bros like Nina Turner apparently...then it was the Russians...for leaking the details of how Podesta and Clinton were fixing the nomination for her, then it was James Comey, low black voter turnout...now they latest Russian conspiracy theory is telling us that the Russians were sowing discord with a mere $100,000 worth of Facebook ads being used to promote Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other groups the establishment isn't comfortable with. Before, it was the Russians who were working behind the alt-right, so which is it?

But, all that bullshit comes from a loud Clinton machine that judging from what Peter Daou and David Brock's are doing, is still getting paid months after the Election for some reason.....2020? Whatever, there will be even fewer white voters...including liberals, interested in a third Clinton attempt than for the past two!
Nope. Articles upon articles lambasted third-party voters, Black ppl, ppl who didn't vote at all, ppl who voted for Sanders, etc. for Clinton's failures. While ignoring the fact that many people no longer believe in the Democratic party, and that isn't anyone's fault but their own. You are not entitled to my vote. This lesser-of-two-evils binary is bullshit.

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I don't really agree with the whole "identity politics" analysis. Race, class, and gender all intersect. A rich Black/Latino person is still just that, even if they don't realize it. I'm not saying that what the article said was wrong, but the analysis and conclusion was bullshit.

Wealthy White men tend to be the most employed, the wealthiest, and the most powerful. People like Obama are merely tokens, used to mask us all from the reality of gross inequality.



Nope. Articles upon articles lambasted third-party voters, Black ppl, ppl who didn't vote at all, ppl who voted for Sanders, etc. for Clinton's failures. While ignoring the fact that many people no longer believe in the Democratic party, and that isn't anyone's fault but their own. You are not entitled to my vote. This lesser-of-two-evils binary is bullshit.
Why is that.

1. Democrats have run the inner cities for a century.. They have insured African americans are trapped in the WORST SCHOOLS

a. poor education = poor opportunity to succeed
b. Round up the poor and put them in 4 block sections of towns where they rarely see a path to success

2. Trap them on welfare keep welfare at a level they can just survive, they become dependent then you combine that with #1 they almost never will make it out of poverty

My grandfather called it left handed racism. he always said WATCH THE HIDDEN HAND the had that not helping you up but adding weights to your burden.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 04:35 AM   #69
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There are people in prison, who wouldn't be if they were white.
There are people told "the unit was already rented" who would be rented the unit if they were white.
There are people who are being told,the job is already filled, who would get the job if they were white.

That happens here, and it happens all over the US.
It's a part of the US culture, it's changing slowly, it's better than it was, it will be better in the future, but it's still there.
And people have to acknowledge that it's a problem that needs to be solved, because those who ignore it, who deny it's existence, perpetuate it.
All those things happen in the liberal bastion of Massachusetts?
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Old October 14th, 2017, 02:04 PM   #70
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Any rightwingers who say that blacks should vote Republican are either joking or living in 1865! Obviously, the Party that has decided since at least 04 to work directly against the interests of non-whites isn't being serious. But, for a long time, the Democrats have taken black voters for granted because of this. They even have a name for it! Democratic strategists refer to black voters as a "captive constituency!" Well, nobody makes deals or does much to help captives, and the Democrats are no different!

One of the many reasons for the failure of the 1.2 billion dollar Clinton Campaign for the White House was because a significant number of black voters are getting pissed off and either not bothering to wait in long lines at the limited number of polling stations or looking around for other options than just checking the box for Democratic candidates. Problem is the Democrats have gotten lazy and forgotten most of their base of support in the chase for big money donors and rewards afterwards...when they set up their foundations and go on their speaking tours.

After two terms of Barack Obama in the White House, household wealth of black families continued to decline, nothing was done besides lamentations and finger-wagging about the disproportionate percentage of blacks being killed by police, privatization of public schools through the charter schooling scam got assistance from the Feds, a healthcare compromise with the insurance industry was pushed instead of a guaranteed national healthcare plan, and a large percentage of homeowners who got foreclosed upon because they found they were stuck with 'liar' loans after the housing meltdown were black. There was no meaningful bailout of underwater mortgage holders, while Wall Street has been given trillions in free money...otherwise known as quantitative easing.

So, if I was black in America I'd be thinking that the Democratic Party either needs the same kind of revolution crazy tea-partiers do to the Republicans OR it has to be abandoned for a third party option. Right now the Two Party System is a choice between the White Party and the Big Tent - Do-Nothing Party that wants your vote but only listens to big money donors when they're setting policy goals.
All of this! Also, what pisses me off the most when people make those kinds of statements is when they subtly assume that Black folks are stupid.
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