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Old October 12th, 2017, 02:33 PM   #1
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By the 1970s, the field of psychology had moved into gender studies. One such psychologist, Dr. Jack Sawyer, studied the effects patriarchy theory had on the male psyche. His conclusions were published in Liberation in Autumn 1970. “On Male Liberation” argued the consequences male stereotyping had on men in contemporary society. To Sawyer, the male sex had been oppressed by a constant societal pressure to dominate others, especially women, in order to succeed. There existed in the culture of masculinity a sense that males had to be “thoroughly competent and self-assured—in short, to be 'manly,'” which encouraged men to mask their emotions. As the “breadwinner,” men held the central responsibility of maintaining economic security in the household; activities for their own self-satisfaction “are not part of the central definition of men’s role,” which left men alienated from companionship and their emotions. Males could not show weakness in order to maintain a sense of masculinity. These masculine stereotypes, Sawyer concluded, were both psychologically damaging and detrimental to society. The ingrained need to veil emotions and “fight for what is theirs” promoted competitiveness, which encouraged the “exploitation of people all over the world, as men strive to achieve 'success.'”

The goal of the men's liberation movement, then, was to promote a system similar to the women's liberation movement; these “liberators” sought to create a system in which men could escape their perceived need to dominate over others and work together with the feminist movement to create a society “that provides equality to all and dominates no one.” A fuller concept of humanity recognizes that all men and women are potentially both strong and weak, both active and passive, and that these and other human characteristics are not the province of one sex. For this reason, sociologist Michael Messner concluded that,

This movement tended to emphasize the primary importance of joining with women to confront patriarchy, with the goal of doing away with men's institutionalized privileges. Patriarchy may dehumanize men, profeminists argued, but the costs of masculinity are linked to men's power.
The overpowering masculine appearance in society dehumanizes men; by rejecting their emotions and becoming objects that are only judged by their success, be it in work or finance or romance, men are made subhuman. In this sense, feminism has not just become a fight for women's rights, but a fight for all of humanity. The patriarchal system that promotes these ideals is detrimental to society, because these qualities create a plethora of problems for men throughout society.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 02:34 PM   #2
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I don't care how much they bitch and whine about it, I think most men are aware that being the breadwinner is nowhere near the job that being a fulltime homemaker and childcare giver is.
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I don't care how much they bitch and whine about it, I think most men are aware that being the breadwinner is nowhere near the job that being a fulltime homemaker and childcare giver is.
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I dn't believe the majority of men want "equality" when it comes to domestic responsibilities.
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I dn't believe the majority of men want "equality" when it comes to domestic responsibilities.
Which is true. That does not mean the article's points are invalid.

Men, even if they don't realize it, are as oppressed by patriarchy as women are. Many feminists have ignored this fact, and actually engage in patriarchal norms when they assume that the traumas that men experience are not valid.

The standards that society places on men are unrealistic, and create strains on their mental health and personal development. A lot of men try to adhere to these standards because they are expected to, most of us are hurting inside. Men are overrepresented in crime, suicide, and drug use. There is probably a reason for that.

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The article excerpt reminds me of some problems I've heard with the military and mental illness problems like PTSD.
For a military member to seek help for a mental illness could be damaging to their career and cause their colleagues to view them negatively. If the issue were changed from mental illness to physical illness, imagine somebody being limited in their career because they had to get help for the flu...


What if we talked about physical health the way we talk about mental health?

I see the issue as broader to the extent that mental illness issues should be treated rationally. In our society, sometimes expectations on mental health, manliness, and women's roles should be treated with a more realistic approach.
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I think there's a whole lot of truth in the article.

Here's just a couple of examples.

Society thinks little or nothing of WOMEN having close, intimate (tho not sexual) contact. They can hug, hold hands, kiss (no tongue) walk arm in arm, sit extremely close, even snuggle on a bed, and no one gives it much thought.

Let a man even try to do similar and he'll be ostracized, labeled as gay, and forced out of his social bubble.

I've known several woman over the years whose husbands/boyfriends have left them because the women were making MORE money than the men.

Why do we think nothing of a woman as the stay at home parent, but a stay at home dad is somehow "less" manly ?

This doesn't even begin to consider the emotional toll. Why is a man that drives a fast car and drinks good bourbon considered more manly than one that raises orchids and breeds small dogs ??

We are taught from birth to be competitive and domineering. The more competitive, the more domineering, the more manly we are judged to be.
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