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Old October 12th, 2017, 01:33 PM   #1
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By the 1970s, the field of psychology had moved into gender studies. One such psychologist, Dr. Jack Sawyer, studied the effects patriarchy theory had on the male psyche. His conclusions were published in Liberation in Autumn 1970. “On Male Liberation” argued the consequences male stereotyping had on men in contemporary society. To Sawyer, the male sex had been oppressed by a constant societal pressure to dominate others, especially women, in order to succeed. There existed in the culture of masculinity a sense that males had to be “thoroughly competent and self-assured—in short, to be 'manly,'” which encouraged men to mask their emotions. As the “breadwinner,” men held the central responsibility of maintaining economic security in the household; activities for their own self-satisfaction “are not part of the central definition of men’s role,” which left men alienated from companionship and their emotions. Males could not show weakness in order to maintain a sense of masculinity. These masculine stereotypes, Sawyer concluded, were both psychologically damaging and detrimental to society. The ingrained need to veil emotions and “fight for what is theirs” promoted competitiveness, which encouraged the “exploitation of people all over the world, as men strive to achieve 'success.'”

The goal of the men's liberation movement, then, was to promote a system similar to the women's liberation movement; these “liberators” sought to create a system in which men could escape their perceived need to dominate over others and work together with the feminist movement to create a society “that provides equality to all and dominates no one.” A fuller concept of humanity recognizes that all men and women are potentially both strong and weak, both active and passive, and that these and other human characteristics are not the province of one sex. For this reason, sociologist Michael Messner concluded that,

This movement tended to emphasize the primary importance of joining with women to confront patriarchy, with the goal of doing away with men's institutionalized privileges. Patriarchy may dehumanize men, profeminists argued, but the costs of masculinity are linked to men's power.
The overpowering masculine appearance in society dehumanizes men; by rejecting their emotions and becoming objects that are only judged by their success, be it in work or finance or romance, men are made subhuman. In this sense, feminism has not just become a fight for women's rights, but a fight for all of humanity. The patriarchal system that promotes these ideals is detrimental to society, because these qualities create a plethora of problems for men throughout society.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 01:34 PM   #2
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I don't care how much they bitch and whine about it, I think most men are aware that being the breadwinner is nowhere near the job that being a fulltime homemaker and childcare giver is.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 01:35 PM   #3
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I don't care how much they bitch and whine about it, I think most men are aware that being the breadwinner is nowhere near the job that being a fulltime homemaker and childcare giver is.
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I dn't believe the majority of men want "equality" when it comes to domestic responsibilities.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 01:47 PM   #5
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yes. ?

I dn't believe the majority of men want "equality" when it comes to domestic responsibilities.
Which is true. That does not mean the article's points are invalid.

Men, even if they don't realize it, are as oppressed by patriarchy as women are. Many feminists have ignored this fact, and actually engage in patriarchal norms when they assume that the traumas that men experience are not valid.

The standards that society places on men are unrealistic, and create strains on their mental health and personal development. A lot of men try to adhere to these standards because they are expected to, most of us are hurting inside. Men are overrepresented in crime, suicide, and drug use. There is probably a reason for that.

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The article excerpt reminds me of some problems I've heard with the military and mental illness problems like PTSD.
For a military member to seek help for a mental illness could be damaging to their career and cause their colleagues to view them negatively. If the issue were changed from mental illness to physical illness, imagine somebody being limited in their career because they had to get help for the flu...


What if we talked about physical health the way we talk about mental health?

I see the issue as broader to the extent that mental illness issues should be treated rationally. In our society, sometimes expectations on mental health, manliness, and women's roles should be treated with a more realistic approach.
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I think there's a whole lot of truth in the article.

Here's just a couple of examples.

Society thinks little or nothing of WOMEN having close, intimate (tho not sexual) contact. They can hug, hold hands, kiss (no tongue) walk arm in arm, sit extremely close, even snuggle on a bed, and no one gives it much thought.

Let a man even try to do similar and he'll be ostracized, labeled as gay, and forced out of his social bubble.

I've known several woman over the years whose husbands/boyfriends have left them because the women were making MORE money than the men.

Why do we think nothing of a woman as the stay at home parent, but a stay at home dad is somehow "less" manly ?

This doesn't even begin to consider the emotional toll. Why is a man that drives a fast car and drinks good bourbon considered more manly than one that raises orchids and breeds small dogs ??

We are taught from birth to be competitive and domineering. The more competitive, the more domineering, the more manly we are judged to be.
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Wow!
I had no idea I was a victim of psychosis and alienated from reality rather than a product of evolution and hormones.
And now nearly 50 years later we see men emulating women (literally) as well as figuratively, falling birthrates and our country being overrun by those from countries where they are still prisoners to their insecurities and actually like intimacy with women rather than sharing their feelings while the REAL MEN here are more interested in manly pursuits such and manscaping and video games.

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Nice article, and I vaguely remember the discussions of a brief phenomena called 'mens liberation' in the media back in the early 70's when womens liberation was a big public issue. But, the writer from way back when, quoted here, did the same thing that the feminist leaders did who hijacked the womens liberation movement at that time: they tried to separate it out from any economic analysis as a stricly social issue with no class-based analysis or coordination with other liberation movements ongoing at the time.

Here the 'liberated men' are supposed to "escape their perceived need to dominate over others," which doesn't amount to a hill of beans if they have to live and work in a culture that rewards domination and doesn't incentivise cooperation with others.

Back in the 70's, economic growth was relatively stagnant and having a temporary pause, but that pales in comparison to the anxieties over the loss of good jobs and having to take lower paying part time, temporary or contract work today! And someone who does try to get to the root cause of the crisis in men acting out, increasing drug addiction, committing suicide and in general-dying younger is psychotherapist- Dr. Harriet Fraad, who I first came across on economist- Richard Wolfe's weekly podcast show- Economic Update. In one of their discussions, she touched on an article she wrote about the predicament facing men in today's age of declining expectations: White Male Rage:
DR. HARRIET FRAAD—It’s been a tough 40 years for working and middle-class white men in America. Accustomed to an exalted place in the social hierarchy, they have seen their wages stagnate and decline since the early 1970s. At the same time, women have gained unprecedented new freedoms and our society became more racially and culturally diverse.

Rather than adapt and change, many of these men cling to male dominance. Michael Kimmel, a professor of sociology and gender studies at Stony Brook University in New York, journeys deep into the worlds of his white male aggrieved subjects.

Kimmel has produced a masterful account of white men’s rage. He focuses on the sons of successful skilled craftsmen, small businessmen and small farmers disenfranchised by the corporatizing of America, mass production, outsourced work, mega-stores like Walmart and Home Depot and restaurant chains like McDonalds and Applebees.
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Organizing for economic and political democracy and the redistribution of wealth and power — and not simply a second New Deal as Kimmel urges — is necessary to address the economic sources of male rage.

Democracy in Relationships

There is a second part of a solution that Kimmel does not mention. That is democracy in personal relationships. The men he describes are unaware of what they missed. Their “manhood” left them out of touch with their emotions. They were robbed of tenderness, vulnerability and the right to perform daily care for their homes and children.

That caring and emotional labor teaches people invaluable lessons about the importance of sustaining life. Part of the anger of “entitled men” comes from their own limited definition of manhood. The only intimate emotional friendships many could have are with wives who do the emotional labor to with connect them. It is women who overwhelmingly do the social connecting that permitted these men to appear self-sufficient while their wives were caring for their children and maintaining connections with family, friends and community. Without husbands, women still maintain emotionally intimate relationships with women friends, children and families. Men’s “self-sufficiency” does not permit that.

What Kimmel’s good book points toward is that we need a strong, appealing, sensible Left that addresses the dispossession of America’s angry men and replaces it with a movement that respects their emotional, political and economic needs. It’s really up to us.
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