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Old October 29th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #1
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Old October 29th, 2017, 07:31 PM   #2
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Now I know you have very little use for Boomers, but a subset of the Boomers, the True Hippies, were saying everything that was said in the clip more than 50 years ago.

It'd be nice if more people lived a free life rather than talk about one. I know I have done my best to do so, but now there are people like you hanging around waiting for me to be sent to a nursing home so you can deny me food to help me die.

Ah you never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did
tricks for you.
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your
kicks for you.
You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat,
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat.
Ain't it hard when you discovered that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal?
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Old October 29th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #3
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Now I know you have very little use for Boomers, but a subset of the Boomers, the True Hippies, were saying everything that was said in the clip more than 50 years ago.

It'd be nice if more people lived a free life rather than talk about one. I know I have done my best to do so, but now there are people like you hanging around waiting for me to be sent to a nursing home so you can deny me food to help me die.

Ah you never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did
tricks for you.
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your
kicks for you.
You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat,
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat.
Ain't it hard when you discovered that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal?

You misunderstand my disdain for your generation. I do not think that what happened was malicious or intentional and on an individual level i enjoy more of you than i dislike. You guys didn't know any better. Everything was new and fast it is just as a generation it seems as if "you" never bothered to question if the prosperity and growth would ever slow. Now you guys instead of leaving things economically better than every previous generation you have mortgaged not only our future but that of yoir great grandchildren. The entitlement programs alone are entirely unfare. We shouldn't be forced to support you guys and that is not even getting into the housing and other markets. That is just what has been voted directly from out pockets to your IVs.


We were just talking about hippys today. I don't think that there were as many of them as we are lead to believe. If there were what happened? How did the state grow exponentially under your watch? What about the archaic drug laws? Though the free love meme did grow into the plague of single motherhood, the police state, and a generation of young men eithed in Indentured servitude or behind bars.
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Ahh, mister wants everything, wants it all free is here.

So you're mad at demographics.
Guess what, the "Reagan Boom" wasn't due to tax cuts for the wealthy, the only thing those tax cuts did was create a huge pile of debt, and stall out the middle class, while moving wealth to the wealthy.
The "Reagan Boom" was baby boomers entering their most productive years, that's what produced the growth, and as that large demographic retires, growth slows.
That's why growth is around 2% now, that's what growth averaged for most of the history of the US, and that is what growth will average going forward.
Unless we get some technical breakthrough that seriously boosts productivity.
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Ahh, mister wants everything, wants it all free is here.

So you're mad at demographics.
Guess what, the "Reagan Boom" wasn't due to tax cuts for the wealthy, the only thing those tax cuts did was create a huge pile of debt, and stall out the middle class, while moving wealth to the wealthy.
The "Reagan Boom" was baby boomers entering their most productive years, that's what produced the growth, and as that large demographic retires, growth slows.
That's why growth is around 2% now, that's what growth averaged for most of the history of the US, and that is what growth will average going forward.
Unless we get some technical breakthrough that seriously boosts productivity.


I will happily pull your plug, dont you worry.

But i won't have to. I am sure there will be a line out the door waiting to see the demise of your old, bitter ass.
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I will happily pull your plug, dont you worry.

But i won't have to. I am sure there will be a line out the door waiting to see the demise of your old, bitter ass.
You're threatening to kill him if you get the chance.
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You're threatening to kill him if you get the chance.
No..

That is quite a leap. Jeash.
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If Sarah Palin talked in word salads, Joe Rogan talks in cliche salads! Both leave you with the empty feeling that no one's actually making a point...regardless of how smart the phrases may sound that have been haphazardly strung together.

Well, let's look at Rogan's salad:
In the first 30 seconds, he's trotting out the old cliche that economies began with trade barter before currencies were invented. Probem is the theory was and always was based on conjecture! Because hunter-gatherer and early plant-growing settlements were "gift economies" NOT barter economies. So, if that is what he's trying to say with his:"I'll give you some coconuts/you give me some fish" example, that's not how early human societies developed...this is:
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A gift economy, gift culture, or gift exchange is a mode of exchange where valuables are not traded or sold, but rather given without an explicit agreement for immediate or future rewards.[1] This contrasts with a barter economy or a market economy, where goods and services are primarily exchanged for value received. Social norms and custom govern gift exchange. Gifts are not given in an explicit exchange of goods or services for money or some other commodity.[2]

The nature of gift economies forms the subject of a foundational debate in anthropology. ...........................................
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

I know Rogan has talked to actual anthropologists and sociologists on his podcast show..does everything his guests say go in one ear and out the other?

Next: all the blather about: "getting sidetracked, finding something to do with your time, rather than something to contribute to society...instead of becoming part of the machine" blah blah blah! This idiot even blends in 'saying something that gets you charged with sexual harassment,' either Rogan's the new Sarah Palin, or some personal legal issues have infiltrated his lecture on minimalism!

Again, this and his other minimalist soliloquies accidentally reveal the futility of libertarianism for making this or any other kind of societal change. Rogan doesn't want to challenge "the machine," just free himself from it and leave others behind. He thinks everyone has the ability to exercise their freedom of choice to do this and somethings wrong with the thinking of people who look for work in fast food industries....who anyone with sense would realize don't have the money to make these kinds of choices. If you have to survive, you do what's necessary/not what you want or enjoy doing! And "The Machine" isn't there by accident! It is a deliberate creation of capitalist organization to have an abundant supply of cheap labor in manufacturing and service industries. People on the lower rungs don't have Rogan's choices for self-actualization..or whatever the hell he's getting at.

The rest: a general, rambling condemnation of materialism in modern society. Does this make any sense considering that Rogan is a supporter of unbridled capitalism? And as far as I've heard, he's never condemned how advertising and marketing have driven capitalist consumption for the past hundred years. From the early days of print and billboard advertising, the ad business learned that they were focusing on the potential buyer's fears and insecurities, and offering their product or service as the solution. Billions have been spent on this shit over the decades, so if it didn't work to move products and increase market shares, they wouldn't do it! But, it does work...it works too well to create a populace of stressed-out, neurotic...possibly psychotic and depressed people, and 'breaking free' for most people requires much more than personal desires and ambitions! We need to identify ALL of the factors trying to manipulate our thinking and fight back against them, and point out to people we know and live with that you don't buy a new house if you don't need one; you don't buy a new car..and even get rid of the car you've got, if you can do without it; don't buy the clothes and all the crap that social media ads try to worm their way into our brains...it's about people being informed, working together and freeing society from "the Machine."

So, if Joe is really interested in making a better world, the first step would be severe restrictions on the proliferation and functioning of advertising and marketing industries! But I doubt Joe's going to think along those lines cause he spends the first half hour of his podcasts hawking crap from his sponsors!
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Now I know you have very little use for Boomers, but a subset of the Boomers, the True Hippies, were saying everything that was said in the clip more than 50 years ago.

It'd be nice if more people lived a free life rather than talk about one. I know I have done my best to do so, but now there are people like you hanging around waiting for me to be sent to a nursing home so you can deny me food to help me die.

Ah you never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did
tricks for you.
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your
kicks for you.
You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat,
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat.
Ain't it hard when you discovered that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal?
But, let's remember that the hippies' goals vanished, as they were ultimately anarchists who just "hung out" and had no plans to change the world, other than talking or singing about it! Once real estate started to skyrocket, they were either homeless or forced out of cities like: San Fran, Grenwich Village and North York(Toronto)by developers looking for greater profits.

Few moved to the country and took up homesteading...which is actually hard work, and most of them left within a few years, with a remnant remaining today trying to survive against uncontrolled urban sprawl, pollution and high land prices.

This is why they were "saying it 50 years ago" and nothing came of it! Making a revolution starts with a plan and requires an educated population and organization. Same thing happened with stuff like Occupy Wall Street a few years back. The Occupiers started seizing up..not willing to make any important decisions out of a fear of divisions...so they ended up evicted and few occupy groups had networked sufficiently to carry on any work afterwards. Though a few did! And it's believed that many former occupiers formed the base of the Feel The Bern movement to try...somehow to reform the Democratic Party...talk about futile causes!
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