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Old November 16th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #61
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Malcolm X, Steve Biko, Toussaint L'Ouverture, and Marcus Garvey are my only "role models." They looked out for their people first and believed that Black people had agency and were worth a damn. Obama is just a handpicked neoliberal negro who was there to maintain the status quo.
It was still a big step. And to some, I am sure that having the current Republican President to compare Obama to, a net positive attitude shift toward blacks has and will continue to occur.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 10:56 AM   #62
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It was still a big step. And to some, I am sure that having the current Republican President to compare Obama to, a net positive attitude shift toward blacks has and will continue to occur.
It was a big step in 2008, but nine years later all of the progress he represented not only to African-Americans, but to Africans all over the world, hasn't been seen.
  • He killed Gaddafi because he sought to unify Africa and sell oil in gold instead of dollars.
  • He built more bases on the continent of Africa than any previous president.
  • The Black unemployment rate in the US is still exponentially high.

I don't think in binaries: there isn't any such thing as a lesser of two evils. The entire political agenda of the Democrats towards ppl of color has been "well, at least we're better than the Republicans." I'm not satisfied with symbols and platitudes, and I do not think that anyone should be. I like to see results.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #63
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It was a big step in 2008, but nine years later all of the progress he represented not only to African-Americans, but to Africans all over the world, hasn't been seen.
  • He killed Gaddafi because he sought to unify Africa and sell oil in dollars.
  • He built more bases on the continent of Africa than any previous president.
  • The Black unemployment rate in the US is still exponentially high.

I don't think in binaries: there isn't any such thing as a lesser of two evils. The entire political agenda of the Democrats towards ppl of color has been "well, at least we're better than the Republicans." I'm not satisfied with symbols and platitudes. I like to see results.
Ah, a child of the 90s. I want it and I want it now?

I can understand the frustration, but things like this can't be instantaneously granted. It is a process. Some things can help speed the process up but it is difficult to do without invoking the law of unintended consequences.

I was a fan of affirmative action until I noticed that it seemed to cause more backlash than benefit, for example.

I wish I had the answer. I suspect so do you but it's sort of like (IMO) discussing education. Everyone knows there are problems but no one knows an easy fix.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 11:10 AM   #64
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Ah, a child of the 90s. I want it and I want it now?

I can understand the frustration, but things like this can't be instantaneously granted. It is a process. Some things can help speed the process up but it is difficult to do without invoking the law of unintended consequences.

I was a fan of affirmative action until I noticed that it seemed to cause more backlash than benefit, for example.

I wish I had the answer. I suspect so do you but it's sort of like (IMO) discussing education. Everyone knows there are problems but no one knows an easy fix.
I don't have all the answers either. It isn't an easy fix, but it is still important to understand that these are deeply rooted social issues, and actual human beings are suffering as a result. When you aren't affected, it's easy to just disregard the points I'm making -- just calling it how I see it. Everybody involved has agency in the issue, and once we begin to relate to each other on a human level, you'll start to see some form of change. This goes for liberals and conservatives. These aren't "thugs" and "welfare queens", these are actual human beings trying to survive in a society that despises them.

Baltimore has been democratically-run for years but illiteracy is insanely high, and there is a lead poisoning epidemic that has pretty much been ignored for decades. I have no reason to be "satisfied" or "patient".
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I don't have all the answers either. It isn't an easy fix, but it is still important to understand that these are deeply rooted social issues, and actual human beings are suffering as a result. When you aren't affected, it's easy to just disregard the points I'm making -- just calling it how I see it. Everybody involved has agency in the issue, and once we begin to relate to each other on a human level, you'll start to see some form of change. This goes for liberals and conservatives. These aren't "thugs" and "welfare queens", these are actual human beings trying to survive in a society that despises them.

Baltimore has been democratically-run for years but illiteracy is insanely high, and there is a lead poisoning epidemic that has pretty much been ignored for decades. I have no reason to be "satisfied" or "patient".
I'm sorry if I have in any way disregarding the points you are making, or minimizing the suffering that is occurring.

But I keep searching for sets to move things in the right direction. And I think Obama was one, even if the step was a small one.

Of course with some it may have in fact been a step back, but that faction is getting smaller and smaller.
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I love the way BS just ignores the entirety of a post's content and responds to it by asking a question not relevant to the post to which he's replying.

Typical right wing bullshit Trump move.


Uh....so it's not just ME that does NOT "GET" his posts?? What do JZ and Sharpton have to do with the price of eggs??
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Wow, where to start? Lets start with your first misstatement. He doubled our debt, stagnated wages, and had an average of 2% GDP. And Black unemployment is still double the national average.
He gave us the debacle known as the ACA. Nothing more needs to be said on that issue.
Obimbo, through sketchy grants and loans has skyrocketed student debt to a $450 Billion debt. Much like the defunct housing market scam.
Your reliance of rhetoric instead of fact is astounding.


Misstatements? There are no misstatements. I presented facts. You took those facts and played TWISTER with them.

Obama DID DO ALL THOSE THINGS and they DID HELP the Black community.
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Malcolm X, Steve Biko, Toussaint L'Ouverture, and Marcus Garvey are my only "role models." They believed that Black people had agency and were worth a damn. Obama is just a handpicked neoliberal negro who was there to maintain the status quo.


So you were expecting what? from Obama? I think Barack Obama gave a BIG FAT DAMN about you and yours. AND about ME and mine.

Yes Obama was handpicked. Aren't they all? AND I think he was a good role model to many young men who were convinced they couldn't rise above their position, their community, their family status and/or their own lack of education.

AND by the way, there IS or WAS NO status quo for blacks in the White House. Maybe in the senate. Maybe in the cabinet, but NOT in the WH.

Presidents can't solve every problem for every American, no matter what their race.
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So you were expecting what? from Obama? I think Barack Obama gave a BIG FAT DAMN about you and yours. AND about ME and mine.

Yes Obama was handpicked. Aren't they all? AND I think he was a good role model to many young men who were convinced they couldn't rise above their position, their community, their family status and/or their own lack of education.

AND by the way, there IS or WAS NO status quo for blacks in the White House. Maybe in the senate. Maybe in the cabinet, but NOT in the WH.

Presidents can't solve every problem for every American, no matter what their race.
I don't see why Black folks should be expected to have low standards and expectations when it comes to politics. This is just the typical smug liberal argument -- folks just have to be grateful because it could be worse.

Liberals blamed Black people for Trump's victory, but we should still somehow be grateful to them?
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Black people are no more to blame for Trump's victory than the millions of white voters who stayed home and didn't vote - or worse, yet, voted for the dotard-in-chief.

I know that it's easy for some to play race politics when it comes to Trump's victory. But, I believe it came about for a combination of reasons. Yes, a large percentage of Democratic voters didn't turn out to vote at all - but there were other issues. Not the least of which was Trump made it socially acceptable to speak one's racism, Islamaphobia, homophobia, Xenophobia and class anger out loud - and gather together to cheer it and make it more pronounced. One cannot ignore the joy and freedom that gave some people, who had been forced to keep their prejudices and bigotries behind closed doors because of social pressure for years.

Of course, there were some major political issues at work as well - not to mention the meddling of a foreign nation supplying lies and distortions to the American public.

The entire victory being boiled down to the "fault" of black people is stupid - and halts all meaningful dialogue.
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