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Old January 15th, 2018, 02:50 PM   #1
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It's been a concern for some time that the #MeToo movement has been in danger of becoming a witch hunt. What began as accusation and exposure of the disgusting, and sometimes illegal, behavior of big names like Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Russell Simmons, Matt Lauer and so on, has morphed into criticizing boorish behavior by men in general.
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I was going to start a thread on this but it fits nicely here.


This lady puts the problem w/ this #meetoo thing perfectly. Yeah, she is Canadian but don't let that put you off too much. It is an excellent lecture and only about 10min w/o the Q&A



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Poor lil aziz. This will teach him.
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The topic of "Sexual Harassment/Sexual Assault/Rape" has been spiraling out of control for quite some time now. There is/has been a huge effort afoot to put rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment (as well as dramatically expanding the definition of sexual harassment) on a continuum in which they all become conflated and held with similar moral disgust. This is extremely dangerous and counterproductive as there is a huge danger in "Crying Wolf" far too often as to diminish the value of a Real Cry when real abuses occur.

I'm a University Senior now in my mid-twenties (male) at a standard, big state/public School in the USA. When I first transferred to this school from my previous college, we were given the "ground-rules" about University policy during Orientation. When it came time for the Sexual Assault/Sexual Harassment part of the presentation from the department head it was very telling about the state of our modern society (and very perturbing indeed).

The lady presenting, roughly in her 60's, firstly looked highly pissed off for no apparent reason. Then, she put up her power point presentation on the topic where she cited a "statistic" of 1/4 College girls will experience Sexual Assault, 1/5 will be raped, and many more will experience Sexual Harassment (Note: no "statistics" about guys was given). At this point, she looked out at the crowed, looked pissed as Hell, pointed her finger at the guys directly and demanded that we "get it through our heads that it is not okay to Rape, and Sexually Assault women/girls".

Then, she proceed to elaborate on what that means. She stated that Sexual activity requires consent and that consent cannot be given when a girl is under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. Therefore, if a guy and a girl have sex and she was drunk--that is rape (or if it was some other kind of sexual act short of "penetration" then it is considered Sexual Assault). You may think at the moment, "Okay, well yeah if she is clearly nearly passed out drunk, stumbling & fumbling all over herself, slurring words, ect. ect. and the guy is relatively sober/aware, then that is rape" (I agree). Now, she went on, if both the girl and the guy are drunk--then only the girl was raped. Furthermore, if the guy was drunk and the girl sober--then nothing happened (i.e. it was consensual sex).

Now, if that doesn't alarm you (the reader) enough to the double standard, she went on to state what officially constitutes (i.e. University Policy) a girl being "under the influence of Alcohol to such extent that they can no longer provide Sexual consent". She reasoned, since the average girl is so much smaller than a male, if she has so much as 1 beer/drink then you cannot be sure she is in a sound state of mind (i.e. alcohol intoxication/drunk) and thus would be held responsible to the aforementioned standards. At this point, all of the guys looked appalled and looked around at each other like wtf(?) while, in contrast, many/most of the girls had quite a smug look of satisfaction about it (and many were nodding their heads to varying degrees).

Does this extremely tense, hostile, ect. dynamic between the sexes worry you (the reader) at all? Also, do "you" find it highly problematic giving girls the top end of a seesaw (i.e. all of the power) in this arena (which is a very serious matter indeed)? Now, do you think this may become highly damaging to the male psyche as time progresses as well as Male-Female relationships more broadly? This has been Progressives "solution" to the matter of Rape on College Campuses--blow it out of proportion and make it a way larger/more substantial issue than it already was(?)
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The topic of "Sexual Harassment/Sexual Assault/Rape" has been spiraling out of control for quite some time now. There is/has been a huge effort afoot to put rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment (as well as dramatically expanding the definition of sexual harassment) on a continuum in which they all become conflated and held with similar moral disgust. This is extremely dangerous and counterproductive as there is a huge danger in "Crying Wolf" far too often as to diminish the value of a Real Cry when real abuses occur.

I'm a University Senior now in my mid-twenties (male) at a standard, big state/public School in the USA. When I first transferred to this school from my previous college, we were given the "ground-rules" about University policy during Orientation. When it came time for the Sexual Assault/Sexual Harassment part of the presentation from the department head it was very telling about the state of our modern society (and very perturbing indeed).

The lady presenting, roughly in her 60's, firstly looked highly pissed off for no apparent reason. Then, she put up her power point presentation on the topic where she cited a "statistic" of 1/4 College girls will experience Sexual Assault, 1/5 will be raped, and many more will experience Sexual Harassment (Note: no "statistics" about guys was given). At this point, she looked out at the crowed, looked pissed as Hell, pointed her finger at the guys directly and demanded that we "get it through our heads that it is not okay to Rape, and Sexually Assault women/girls".

Then, she proceed to elaborate on what that means. She stated that Sexual activity requires consent and that consent cannot be given when a girl is under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. Therefore, if a guy and a girl have sex and she was drunk--that is rape (or if it was some other kind of sexual act short of "penetration" then it is considered Sexual Assault). You may think at the moment, "Okay, well yeah if she is clearly nearly passed out drunk, stumbling & fumbling all over herself, slurring words, ect. ect. and the guy is relatively sober/aware, then that is rape" (I agree). Now, she went on, if both the girl and the guy are drunk--then only the girl was raped. Furthermore, if the guy was drunk and the girl sober--then nothing happened (i.e. it was consensual sex).

Now, if that doesn't alarm you (the reader) enough to the double standard, she went on to state what officially constitutes (i.e. University Policy) a girl being "under the influence of Alcohol to such extent that they can no longer provide Sexual consent". She reasoned, since the average girl is so much smaller than a male, if she has so much as 1 beer/drink then you cannot be sure she is in a sound state of mind (i.e. alcohol intoxication/drunk) and thus would be held responsible to the aforementioned standards. At this point, all of the guys looked appalled and looked around at each other like wtf(?) while, in contrast, many/most of the girls had quite a smug look of satisfaction about it (and many were nodding their heads to varying degrees).

Does this extremely tense, hostile, ect. dynamic between the sexes worry you (the reader) at all? Also, do "you" find it highly problematic giving girls the top end of a seesaw (i.e. all of the power) in this arena (which is a very serious matter indeed)? Now, do you think this may become highly damaging to the male psyche as time progresses as well as Male-Female relationships more broadly? This has been Progressives "solution" to the matter of Rape on College Campuses--blow it out of proportion and make it a way larger/more substantial issue than it already was(?)
Yes, its going to back fire on women in a very bad way and undermine decades of positive good that real feminists have accomplished. Furthermore the 1 in 4 rape statistic is a bold faced lie. Secondly, you already hit on it, but a young man gets drunk and takes home a less than his idea physical partner does he get to claim intoxicated rape under the same standards? Of course not, you know double standards an all that. Its very very poor taste what is going on. Although you may not agree with my opinion of what it really is, I truly believe it is a form of cultural Marxism.
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Old January 15th, 2018, 08:15 PM   #6
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Although you may not agree with my opinion of what it really is, I truly believe it is a form of cultural Marxism.
I completely agree that this (and many other areas) are the product of Neo-Marxist theory (in application). To people who haven't really looked into such Social Issues matters much, it "rings true" or "feels right". This is the significant problem with Neo-Marxism since it highly over-generalizes based on some ideas that do in fact have merit. This becomes highly problematic as they tend not to see the forest for the trees (although they think they are--and the issue they are getting caught up on are factoids here and there regarding "oppressed/marginalized groups", ect.).

I will say though, it seems more people begin to "wake up" to this as the actions of the Neo-Marxist activists become ever increasingly ridiculous/contemptible (and in many cases personal--as official policies and such are changed, ect.)
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Furthermore the 1 in 4 rape statistic is a bold faced lie. Secondly, you already hit on it, but a young man gets drunk and takes home a less than his idea physical partner does he get to claim intoxicated rape under the same standards? Of course not, you know double standards an all that. Its very very poor taste what is going on. Although you may not agree with my opinion of what it really is, I truly believe it is a form of cultural Marxism.
Exactly. For that statistic, they are expanding the definition of "sexual assault" and "rape" to include "not having proper consent" to include "being drunk" with "drunk" itself being very ill-defined (and there is no way to test for it the next day or a few days later). That is, if you extend "rape" to include "sex while drunk", then; Yes, virtually all College girls that engage in sex will be "raped" or "sexual assaulted" at some point. Now, it becomes highly problematic when you are giving one gender all of the power however based on a misreading of this extremely expansive (and alarmist) definition of rape/sex. assault. (Note: based on that similar criteria of "being drunk", that would include essentially all college guys who engage in sexual activity as well as being "raped" and/or "sexually assaulted" at some point as well--there is a corresponding overly-inflated static of 1 in 16 men that was not cited)
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Exactly. For that statistic, they are expanding the definition of "sexual assault" and "rape" to include "not having proper consent" to include "being drunk" with "drunk" itself being very ill-defined (and there is no way to test for it the next day or a few days later). That is, if you extend "rape" to include "sex while drunk", then; Yes, virtually all College girls that engage in sex will be "raped" or "sexual assaulted" at some point. Now, it becomes highly problematic when you are giving one gender all of the power however based on a misreading of this extremely expansive (and alarmist) definition of rape/sex. assault. (Note: based on that similar criteria of "being drunk", that would include essentially all college guys who engage in sexual activity as well as being "raped" and/or "sexually assaulted" at some point as well--there is a corresponding overly-inflated static of 1 in 16 men that was not cited)
Absolutely. If you expand what defines rape/sexual assault enough you can get any statistic you want. Stare rape, regret sex rape, the list goes on and on.
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Absolutely. If you expand what defines rape/sexual assault enough you can get any statistic you want. Stare rape, regret sex rape, the list goes on and on.
Now, does this mean everyone who has ever engaged in sexual activity with alcohol being involved is accused of rape/sexual assault by the girl--no, of course not, since it is so blatantly absurd. However, it puts a tremendous amount of power in the hands of girls and at the expense of guys on a very non-trivial matter (to say the least). One of the most perturbing aspects of it is how oblivious the girls are (by-and-large) about how outrageous the current status quo is.

Now, I, personally, do not drink alcohol (have only drank about 10 times in my life--getting a "buzz"/light-drunkenness only once or twice), don't do any other recreational drugs, stopped going to college parties when I was 21, still go to bars every-so-often/occasionally, etc. etc. This is to say, I'm not a stereotypical "partier" type person/student and the people I choose to hang around with at least are not engaging in this when we are hanging out together or they feel fairly similar to my position. However, people such as myself are in the rather extreme minority (who don't/haven't regularly, heavily engaged in such activities) and anyone who has went to such events (e.g. College Party) knows that the express purpose for the overwhelming majority of people who are regulars is to get "f'cked up & hook up" (for both Males & Females). That is, these College Kids are doing this week after week, year after year, intending to do precisely what is deemed an off-limits high-crime (e.g. get intoxicated and engage in sexual activity) and only guys are held responsible for what is clearly highly pre-meditated actions? Do people not have responsibility for their choices and actions (and by "people" I mean (largely) girls/women)?

If anyone has a son who is a teenager-twenties in our current societies climate, they should be very concerned for them on account of policies such as this and the ideas that neo-feminism (Note, neo-feminism, I'm not referring to 1st & 2nd wave feminism which largely advocated for the vote, women's equal access into the workforce, more power in marriage, etc.--which are all very good & necessary causes) has indoctrinated many (otherwise) fine young ladies into this line of thinking, which ultimately is having horrible effects on M-F relationships--particularly in any long-term format. That is, this policy is ultimately very damaging to both girls and guys (in different ways), however it will manifest itself very quickly and strongly so for a male caught up in the system while for a female it will take much longer before one sees the ramifications of it.

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