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Old March 8th, 2018, 11:33 PM   #11
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E Is not even worthy of comment, but I will. So a girl gets off Scott free but if a guy made a rape claim against a female or male, he would too!? I doubt it, if he is even believed in the in first place judging by the gist of these moronic rules.

There is still no accountability here and this an insult to the intelligence of both sexes!
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I agree--however, unfortunately, most of the girls think these policies make perfect sense. In fact, they tend to think this is "letting guys off easy". There is a perception pervasive in the culture that males are predators & need to be treated as such; or else, who knows what they would do(?)

Personally, I thought the lady who was the Head of the Sexual Violence Department should have been fired on the spot for the way she was speaking to us when coupled with the (in my view) blatant absurdity of the Official Policy.

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This is incredible..........

First, YES, i obviously agree with those points in the OP. This is a serious issue for young women. Look at all your posts so far guys, you are upset about wording of regulations or whatever, or upset that it is even there. Omfg. You have already completely dismissed all the women who are survivors of this sexual assault on campuses!

Lives are being ruined, fucking ruined, and you are whining about words!!!!
Wtf?!

I dont know if i will be able to take some of these "arguments" seriously, but that is pretty typical around here. If anyone wants to do a tantrum post, try reading up on the reality of college rape and assault FIRST........
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This is incredible..........

First, YES, i obviously agree with those points in the OP. This is a serious issue for young women. Look at all your posts so far guys, you are upset about wording of regulations or whatever, or upset that it is even there. Omfg. You have already completely dismissed all the women who are survivors of this sexual assault on campuses!

Lives are being ruined, fucking ruined, and you are whining about words!!!!
Wtf?!

I dont know if i will be able to take some of these "arguments" seriously, but that is pretty typical around here. If anyone wants to do a tantrum post, try reading up on the reality of college rape and assault FIRST........
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A few points to start:

(A) Does it bother you at all that the way University Policy is stated, it is nearly impossible for a man to be raped? Also, what counts as rape for women, does not for men? Why the double-standard?

(B ) If a women drinks alcohol (or uses some other drug), is she not still accountable for nearly all other actions; such as driving drunk (DUI)?

(C) If both the girl & guy are intoxicated, and sexual activity occurs, why is only the man a criminal while the women the victim?

(D) If the measure for intoxication is 1 beer, and there is no way to prove it the next day, wouldn't the man have to assume every girl at a party, bar, ect. is passed that limit and unable to give consent? Then, would in not make those scenes illegitimate?

(E) If girls and guys both go out to bars, parties, ect. with the intended purpose to become intoxicated and hook up, are they not responsible for their actions in any way?

(F) The Policy seems extremely condescending to women's strength of mind--as they are absolved of all personal responsibility and agency. Does that bother you? It seems the near polar opposite of female empowerment, which is the ostensible purpose of 'feminism'; no?

(G) If you had a boyfriend you really cared about; Would you take these restrictions into consideration from his perspective and empathize how vulnerable it leaves him? Would you talk about it with him in order to ensure you are both on the same page?
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Old March 9th, 2018, 10:25 AM   #14
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A few points to start:

(A) Does it bother you at all that the way University Policy is stated, it is nearly impossible for a man to be raped? Also, what counts as rape for women, does not for men? Why the double-standard?

( If a women drinks alcohol (or uses some other drug), is she not still accountable for nearly all other actions; such as driving drunk (DUI)?

(C) If both the girl & guy are intoxicated, and sexual activity occurs, why is only the man a criminal while the women the victim?

(D) If the measure for intoxication is 1 beer, and there is no way to prove it the next day, wouldn't the man have to assume every girl at a party, bar, ect. is passed that limit and unable to give consent? Then, would in not make those scenes illegitimate?

(E) If girls and guys both go out to bars, parties, ect. with the intended purpose to become intoxicated and hook up, are they not responsible for their actions in any way?

(F) The Policy seems extremely condescending to women's strength of mind--as they are absolved of all personal responsibility and agency. Does that bother you? It seems the near polar opposite of female empowerment, which is the ostensible purpose of 'feminism'; no?

(G) If you had a boyfriend you really cared about; Would you take these restrictions into consideration from his perspective and empathize how vulnerable it leaves him? Would you talk about it with him in order to ensure you are both on the same page?
(A) No, it doesnt bother me at all the way that university policy is stated. It bothers me when women get assaulted or raped, and nothing happens. The numbers of women raped/assaulted on college campuses bothers me. If men were being raped at the rate of college women, then they would have a reason to complain. Until then.....

(b) Getting a DUI or whatever is breaking the law, so of course a woman is responsible. Being taken advantage of, assaulted and/or raped is NOT! Where do you even see the connection?

(C) Because men prey on women. Period.

(D) Men should always be paying attention to what a woman says, and the signals she sends him. Especially when she lets him know she does not want to have sex. Unfortunately, being a woman in a bar can really cause problems, because drunk ass men wont leave us alone.....

(E) Ugh, yes. However, when boys take advantage of girls who cant give consent, that is rape. Using this type of argument is hurtful and nonsense, as it drives girls to not report because they will be treated like its their fault. It isnt......

(F) No, the insult to my ability to take care of my own business does NOT outweigh the overwhelming evidence that women on campuses all around the world are being raped and assaulted by classmates or others. THAT is the key here, not my ego.....

(G) Ummmm, if my boyfriend didnt understand the importance of protecting women on campuses, he would be single and the door would hit him on the way out.......
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[QUOTE=xMathFanx;1149045]University Policy on Sexual Violence: @Lyzza

Standard US University Policy regarding 'sexual violence' of present typically is as follows:

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(A) If a female is intoxicated and sexual activity occurs--proper consent was necessarily not given.
Regret sex due to bad decisions made while intoxicated or high is now rape but only if you are a woman. If you are a man and its coyote ugly the next morning obvious you do not get to claim rape because you know, reasons and shit.

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(B ) Proper consent is necessary for sexual activity, failure to meet such a standard would qualify as either Sexual Assault or Rape (depending upon specifically what occurred)
Yes means yes, no means no.
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(C) If both the male and female are intoxicated while sexual activity occurred--only the male is guilty of Sexual Assault or Rape
Bullshit. Stop treating women like children. They earned that. A woman gets drunk and fucks random dude that is her bad decision. Its not rape unless she said no or is passed out. Then that is rape.

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(D) If the male is intoxicated and the female is sober (i.e. not intoxicated), than no Sexual Violence occurred
Intoxication should not be a factor in consent. Bad decision making is a symptom of intoxication. Unless you was drugged without your consent, fuck you. You make bad decision you live with decision.

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(E) 'Intoxication' for females may include level of alcohol intake of 1 beer or above
Treating women like children again by not making them responsible for their own decisions.

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(F) Accusations of Sexual Violence are not required to be reported to the Police in order for the University to step in. That is, a female may report the incident to the particular department responsible for Sexual Violence at the University exclusively
I think it should be a law that the judicial system has to get involved and that the judicial system decision is final in all decisions.

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(E) A University hearing/trial will occur, where typically a committee of Professors will be the 'jury' for the case, and hear both sides of the 'story'. i.e. the male and female will be given the opportunity to present their perspective, while teachers typically asks questions about the students Sexual history, ect. ect. in order to gain further insight into what may have occurred
I hope there is a right to an attorney for this. I hope there is a right to civil law suit.
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(F) The committee will make a 'judgement', and, if found guilty, the student would be subject to suspension or dismissal
The committee judgment should be superseded by a decision from the judicial system.

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(E) If found 'not guilty', no punishment is enacted on the accuser
Other than a tarnished name and reputation, which in my opinion should lead to suing the accuser back to the stone age and attempting in every legal way to destroy the accusers life by legally garnishing every penny they ever hope to earn.

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Do you deem this policy sensible?
This policy is absurd and biased and it treats women like children
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This policy is absurd and biased and it treats women like children
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Yes, indeed. In fact, it is the complete opposite of 'female empowerment'. It is extraordinarily damaging to both male & female psyche's, in different ways--as well as M-F social dynamics generally.

Note: This is the majority/overwhelming majority female view on campus--i.e. that the policy is sensible or even 'conservative'.

One would have to wonder; if ladies believe that sexual activity under so much as 1 beer is 'rape'/'sexual assault', then why do they go to bars & College parties looking for guys to 'hook up' with while drinking alcohol (and potentially using other drugs)? Are they going out of their way looking for 'rapists'? Or, is it more likely, they do not believe the stated conditions of the policy would (at all) constitute 'rape'/'sexual assault' either?
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(A) No, it doesnt bother me at all the way that university policy is stated. It bothers me when women get assaulted or raped, and nothing happens. The numbers of women raped/assaulted on college campuses bothers me. If men were being raped at the rate of college women, then they would have a reason to complain. Until then.....
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It does not bother you that there are different arbitrary standards applying to different groups rather than universal standards? If it was reversed, would that bother you?--i.e. if men drank 1 beer or more and sexual activity occurred, than the girl is a rapist/sexual abuser while if the girl drank & the man was sober, than no offense occurred.
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(b) Getting a DUI or whatever is breaking the law, so of course a woman is responsible. Being taken advantage of, assaulted and/or raped is NOT! Where do you even see the connection?
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First, note, laws are created by people. Then, in the case of a person choosing to drink and drive, people have decided that is irresponsible behavior that the drunk person is held accountable for--regardless of sex. However, in the case of sexual consent, we are being told that women are not accountable for their choices of drinking & what occurs while intoxicated--although, men are. Do you not find that as highly condescending to women's strength of mind (or lack thereof)? The policy would seem to tacitly imply that male strength of mind is far superior to that of women's, and this is a salient factor which should be taken into consideration when judging such issues. And you agree with this?
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(C) Because men prey on women. Period.
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Then, in your view, men are chimpanzees while women are angels(?) Are you under the impression this outlook is not sexist?
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(E) Ugh, yes. However, when boys take advantage of girls who cant give consent, that is rape. Using this type of argument is hurtful and nonsense, as it drives girls to not report because they will be treated like its their fault. It isnt......
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How many activities do you think a women would be unable to perform if they have had 1 beer in their system (for which, one should not be responsible for during that state)? Can you list other activities that qualify?
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