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Old March 9th, 2018, 01:44 PM   #21
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This is incredible..........

First, YES, i obviously agree with those points in the OP. This is a serious issue for young women. Look at all your posts so far guys, you are upset about wording of regulations or whatever, or upset that it is even there. Omfg. You have already completely dismissed all the women who are survivors of this sexual assault on campuses!

Lives are being ruined, fucking ruined, and you are whining about words!!!!
Wtf?!

I dont know if i will be able to take some of these "arguments" seriously, but that is pretty typical around here. If anyone wants to do a tantrum post, try reading up on the reality of college rape and assault FIRST........
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(b) Getting a DUI or whatever is breaking the law, so of course a woman is responsible. Being taken advantage of, assaulted and/or raped is NOT! Where do you even see the connection?

(C) Because men prey on women. Period.
So do men not get taken advantage of, assaulted, or raped by women? Are you for real? This is ridiculous on so many levels, but there's really no point in engaging with you on this because you won't ever see my perspective. Truth be told, I cannot understand yours. Yours is so wrapped up in hatred. I can't fathom it.
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Old March 9th, 2018, 01:51 PM   #22
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The perspective that Lyzza holds is the 'standard' perspective for girls on College campuses and accounts for the majority/overwhelming majority. In the minority are girls who believe that there are potentially some problematic elements to the Policy, though guys are still viewed as 'predatory' toward women--which should be taken into account. Girls who outright reject the Policy perspective (and find it offensive as well as dangerous) are hyper-rare.

This is in large part why I am interested in discussing the topic with Lyzza, as I would like to gain further insight into her perspective on the matter (as we are clearly coming from very different vantage points).
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Old March 9th, 2018, 02:20 PM   #23
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Policies such as this are the backlash from DECADES of colleges and universities NOT reporting rapes to the police or even bothering to investigate them. For years if the girl was even a little intoxicated SHE was blamed for the incident, especially if the offender was an athlete or the child of a major donor. It's gonna be crazy for a while but this is the price to be paid for ignoring what was in truth an epidemic.
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Old March 9th, 2018, 02:27 PM   #24
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Policies such as this are the backlash from DECADES of colleges and universities NOT reporting rapes to the police or even bothering to investigate them. For years if the girl was even a little intoxicated SHE was blamed for the incident, especially if the offender was an athlete or the child of a major donor. It's gonna be crazy for a while but this is the price to be paid for ignoring what was in truth an epidemic.
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Is it your impression that men are not sexually assaulted/raped in any relevant numbers when applying the same standards universally?
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Old March 9th, 2018, 02:28 PM   #25
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Is it your impression that men are not sexually assaulted/raped in any relevant numbers when applying the same standards universally?

And last year at YOUR university how many men reported a sexual assault ?? And I didn't say the policy was fair, I merely stated that it was the backlash for decades of near epidemic levels of sexual assault on college campuses.
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And last year at YOUR university how many men reported a sexual assault ?? And I didn't say the policy was fair, I merely stated that it was the backlash for decades of near epidemic levels of sexual assault on college campuses.
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First, the tone of your response is very interesting.

Now, it depends tremendously upon what the criteria for 'rape'/'sexual assault' is. For instance, if one is to use the extremely expanded definitions, then 1 in 5 women and 1 in 16 men experience 'sexual assault' while in College. However, note, as discussed previously, the definition of 'sexual assault' is much more expansive for women then men. If it were a universal standard (i.e. intoxication of any sort), then it should be almost intuitively obvious that many/most College students would have experience 'sexual assault' at some point--as it coincides with the age range where people are growing into full sexual maturity, and intoxicants are typically involved at social functions.

However, the "Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics from its National Crime Victimization Survey showed the rate of campus sexual assault to be very much lower--with 0.6 percent of female college students reporting rape or sexual assault, compared to the 20 percent suggested by '1 in 5.' "

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(A) The CDC's Rape Numbers Are Misleading | Time
(B ) https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ut-campus-rape
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OMFG, i knew it wouldnt be long before the trolls started messing up this thread......

Ok, i promise, i am trying hard to be nice and talk to Mathfan, because i appreciate his questions and willingness to discuss.

So Math, i will try to keep it to our talk, but if i freak the fuck out it probably isnt your fault lol!
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Ok, i promise, i am trying hard to be nice and talk to Mathfan, because i appreciate his questions and willingness to discuss.

So Math, i will try to keep it to our talk, but if i freak the fuck out it probably isnt your fault lol!
@Lyzza

By all means, do not hold back--it is a very emotive topic. From my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, we may be roughly the same/similar age (I'm mid-twenties), both attending University, though from opposite sides of the 'fence' (i.e. male/female). So, I'm quite interested to hear your perspective on the matter.
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Yes, indeed. In fact, it is the complete opposite of 'female empowerment'. It is extraordinarily damaging to both male & female psyche's, in different ways--as well as M-F social dynamics generally.

Note: This is the majority/overwhelming majority female view on campus--i.e. that the policy is sensible or even 'conservative'.

One would have to wonder; if ladies believe that sexual activity under so much as 1 beer is 'rape'/'sexual assault', then why do they go to bars & College parties looking for guys to 'hook up' with while drinking alcohol (and potentially using other drugs)? Are they going out of their way looking for 'rapists'? Or, is it more likely, they do not believe the stated conditions of the policy would (at all) constitute 'rape'/'sexual assault' either?
This one is too easy.....

When we go out to parties or bars/clubs it is to have fun and party. I would assume guys are there for the same reason right?

If we decide to "hook up" then that is our choice. If at any time we dont want to go any further with that person, that is also our choice. No, we are not looking for rapists, that is so incredibly absurd i really have to focus otherwise i will be cussing.......

We have brains, we are capable of deciding what we want, and that has nothing to do with that policy. Period.
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It does not bother you that there are different arbitrary standards applying to different groups rather than universal standards? If it was reversed, would that bother you?--i.e. if men drank 1 beer or more and sexual activity occurred, than the girl is a rapist/sexual abuser while if the girl drank & the man was sober, than no offense occurred.
This one is easy too, and i am starting to notice a pattern.....

There isnt a universal standard, because men raping and assaulting women on campus is universal. The opposite, if it happens, is very very rare. Foe me this is just common sense, and i cant understand at all how you would confuse it.
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