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Old March 9th, 2018, 05:47 PM   #31
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This one is too easy.....

When we go out to parties or bars/clubs it is to have fun and party. I would assume guys are there for the same reason right?

If we decide to "hook up" then that is our choice. If at any time we dont want to go any further with that person, that is also our choice. No, we are not looking for rapists, that is so incredibly absurd i really have to focus otherwise i will be cussing.......

We have brains, we are capable of deciding what we want, and that has nothing to do with that policy. Period.
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The official policy is: Intoxicated + Sexual Activity = Male Sexual Violence against Female (regardless of whether she 'consented' at the time or not)

Note: 'Intoxicate' can include states where the parties involved are still nearly/close to 100% functioning, as 1 beer in a persons system is not likely to do much
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First, note, laws are created by people. Then, in the case of a person choosing to drink and drive, people have decided that is irresponsible behavior that the drunk person is held accountable for--regardless of sex. However, in the case of sexual consent, we are being told that women are not accountable for their choices of drinking & what occurs while intoxicated--although, men are. Do you not find that as highly condescending to women's strength of mind (or lack thereof)? The policy would seem to tacitly imply that male strength of mind is far superior to that of women's, and this is a salient factor which should be taken into consideration when judging such issues. And you agree with this?
No, you are putting those words in my mouth. I dont agree that male strength of mind is far superior! i wont say that it is probably quite the opposite

However, again you are overlooking the VERY real and simple fact that men take advantage of women ----> especially if they are intoxicated. Parties on campus, or at bars or whatever event, these are times when a man can prey on a woman. Does that mean we are always incapable of judgement, hell no. But the fact is, too many girls are being assaulted or raped at these places.
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Then, in your view, men are chimpanzees while women are angels(?) Are you under the impression this outlook is not sexist?
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How many activities do you think a women would be unable to perform if they have had 1 beer in their system (for which, one should not be responsible for during that state)? Can you list other activities that qualify?
Not really seeing a point to either of these. Seriously. Again, you are off base trying to link this to things outside of the topic.
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The official policy is: Intoxicated + Sexual Activity = Male Sexual Violence against Female (regardless of whether she 'consented' at the time or not)

Note: 'Intoxicate' can include states where the parties involved are still nearly/close to 100% functioning, as 1 beer in a persons system is not likely to do much
It is male sexual violence when the male commits the sexual violence.
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Old March 9th, 2018, 05:52 PM   #35
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This one is easy too, and i am starting to notice a pattern.....

There isnt a universal standard, because men raping and assaulting women on campus is universal. The opposite, if it happens, is very very rare. Foe me this is just common sense, and i cant understand at all how you would confuse it.
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Then you accept the CDC's Sexual Violence Statistics for only women, and reject it for males. What is the rational for this?
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Then you accept the CDC's Sexual Violence Statistics for only women, and reject it for males. What is the rational for this?
When did i say that?
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Not really seeing a point to either of these. Seriously. Again, you are off base trying to link this to things outside of the topic.
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You stated that males are predators which prey on females
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You stated that males are predators which prey on females
Those survivors were not attacked by alligators. Stop pretending that women are not the victims in these horrible crimes.

If you continue to pretend that this is not a MAJOR issue, then i wont waste any more time here. It IS. There are plenty of reports, stats, and far more importantly, stories of survivors, that prove this.

I dont know how you could show such callous disregard for that very real fact. Real lives are being ruined, and you are bitching about the wording of a policy?!

That might be our big disconnect. Maybe you dont see it, or maybe you just dont care. idk. But holy shit i cant believe anyone could just sweep aside the horrible facts here.......
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It is male sexual violence when the male commits the sexual violence.
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This circles back to the definition, which is what is in question here. If girls are not held responsible for their actions when intoxicated, then why are guys? Hence the need for a universal standard--or else sex-based discrimination is built into the definition
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When did i say that?
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You stated sexual violence against males on college campuses is "very, very rare". However, the CDC (which is the same source that produces the 1 in 5 females stat.) finds that it is very, very common indeed--1 in 16 males
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