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Old March 21st, 2018, 01:49 AM   #21
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Are you suggesting that European Americans are a monoculture? I would say the dominant culture group in America would either be German-Americans or British-Americans.
No, not entirely. they are the dominant culture.
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So the Italian girl celebrating the Irish holiday is ok then. See, you guys need to come up with a rule book on this stuff. Something we can laugh at.

I think we must understand virtues and live by principles, not act out freely and live by our emotions- if we are to have liberty and justice for all and resolve human problems.

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All cultures are crossed all over the world.

Todas culturas estão cruzadas por todo o mundo.
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Exactly.

The way American black music was never given credit for value until white performers exhibited it. Prime examples started with jazz, of course. Then rhythm and blues and rock and roll was considered "black only" music - until Elvis Presley did it. African music was considered primitive and of no value until Paul Simon appropriated it to make the album "Graceland." The list goes on and on.
What a crock!
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Musica Pedra » Rock Music


Grande Pedra » Great Rock - Great Stone


(Pequena Pedra » Little Rock )


PEDRA - ROCK


Rock is culture - Pedra é cultura
Music is culture - Musica é cultura

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It seems that some here don't really understand the concept of cultural appropriation. I am going to use Bo Derek as an example for a theoretical conversation in a group to illustrate it. Imagine a group of college students in the mall for lunch and shopping. Abigail (A) and Beatrice are room mates and are African American. Carrie (C) and Diane (D) are cousins and are Caucasian.


C- Have you seen the movie TEN? I LOVED the braids Bo Derek was wearing!
*GoG agrees with ooh and ahhs*
C- I mean, really! The braids with the beads look exotic and summery.

B- Actually, those are called Fulani braids. They are called Cornrows here in the States. Black women have been wearing them forever.

D- *ignoring* I think that Bo Derek's braids look really original. We are probably going to start seeing them a lot.

B- Umm... I think hat I just explained that they are not original. Cornrows have been a pert of Black culture since there has BEEN black culture.

C- *shooting Bea a dirty look then ignoring* That's what happens when someone comes up with something that no one has done before. It will get copied a lot.

A-Like putting a traditional black hairstyle on a white actress?

D- *ignoring* Well, she did it first so no one can take that from her. I Bet the Bo Derek look would look great on-

B- HI THERE! WE ARE PART OF THIS SOCIETY TOO! BLACK PEOPLE INVENTED THESE BRAIDS. THIS IS NOT A BO DEREK LOOK!

C- Bea, what are you yelling for?

*Abby and Bea shake their heads and walk away*

C- I swear that they just make up reasons to be pissed off.

D- *shrugs* Not that their type ever really contribute anything anyway. Like I was saying, the Bo Derek braids would be really good on your sister's long hair...

*group goes on their way*


This is pretty much what cultural appropriation looks like. Now scale this up to a societal level with the ever present subtle disdain that our society ingrains in people about people of color. When an element- a style, music, dance, etc- is brought into the mainstream while not acknowledging the original source as being from a particular culture (Often reattributing the source) that is called cultural appropriation.
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Whatever do you mean? The Irish had it great 8n early america
Yet they were not the dominant culture. At the very beginning of this country, the dominant ethnoculture was the British-Americans. I would say that this exists to this day, but the British-Americans of this country don't necessarily consider themselves such, but rather as just 'Americans.'
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No, not entirely. they are the dominant culture.
That's not a coherent reply. You don't even state your reasoning. European-Americans are not a monoculture and thus cannot be described accurately as dominant culture. There exists only an 'American' monoculture, which isn't necessarily tied to ethnicity but rather a civic attitude.
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Exactly.

The way American black music was never given credit for value until white performers exhibited it. Prime examples started with jazz, of course. Then rhythm and blues and rock and roll was considered "black only" music - until Elvis Presley did it. African music was considered primitive and of no value until Paul Simon appropriated it to make the album "Graceland." The list goes on and on.
Black music was never given credit until whites performed it.

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It seems that some here don't really understand the concept of cultural appropriation. I am going to use Bo Derek as an example for a theoretical conversation in a group to illustrate it. Imagine a group of college students in the mall for lunch and shopping. Abigail (A) and Beatrice are room mates and are African American. Carrie (C) and Diane (D) are cousins and are Caucasian.


C- Have you seen the movie TEN? I LOVED the braids Bo Derek was wearing!
*GoG agrees with ooh and ahhs*
C- I mean, really! The braids with the beads look exotic and summery.

B- Actually, those are called Fulani braids. They are called Cornrows here in the States. Black women have been wearing them forever.

D- *ignoring* I think that Bo Derek's braids look really original. We are probably going to start seeing them a lot.

B- Umm... I think hat I just explained that they are not original. Cornrows have been a pert of Black culture since there has BEEN black culture.

C- *shooting Bea a dirty look then ignoring* That's what happens when someone comes up with something that no one has done before. It will get copied a lot.

A-Like putting a traditional black hairstyle on a white actress?

D- *ignoring* Well, she did it first so no one can take that from her. I Bet the Bo Derek look would look great on-

B- HI THERE! WE ARE PART OF THIS SOCIETY TOO! BLACK PEOPLE INVENTED THESE BRAIDS. THIS IS NOT A BO DEREK LOOK!

C- Bea, what are you yelling for?

*Abby and Bea shake their heads and walk away*

C- I swear that they just make up reasons to be pissed off.

D- *shrugs* Not that their type ever really contribute anything anyway. Like I was saying, the Bo Derek braids would be really good on your sister's long hair...

*group goes on their way*


This is pretty much what cultural appropriation looks like. Now scale this up to a societal level with the ever present subtle disdain that our society ingrains in people about people of color. When an element- a style, music, dance, etc- is brought into the mainstream while not acknowledging the original source as being from a particular culture (Often reattributing the source) that is called cultural appropriation.


Well, they should have told Beatrice that she was full of shit and to stop making shit up. Oh, wait back then, before the language police took hold of so many peoples minds they probably did.

I remember before all of this cultural Marxism garbage, when we were proud of the fact that the states were considered a "melting pot" now everyone is being pushed into little groups and being pitted against one and other.

I don't know what is more sad the fact that this is happening or that people are falling for it.
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