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Old April 2nd, 2018, 08:47 AM   #11
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The issue in bullying is when I was in school you either one handled it yourself, (I punched two bullies right in the nose, they beat my rear end but stopped bullying because it hurts to get punched in the nose) or an older sibling took care of the problem, if not you and several of your friends cornered the punk and he stopped. Kids today are under the no tolerance rule, if they strike back they get the same punishment and in many cases if the bully isn't caught, and denies it, the only person in trouble is the one being bullied. Bring back the paddle, and kids getting it worse when they get home, problem solved.
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Old April 2nd, 2018, 08:53 AM   #12
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The issue in bullying is when I was in school you either one handled it yourself, (I punched two bullies right in the nose, they beat my rear end but stopped bullying because it hurts to get punched in the nose) or an older sibling took care of the problem, if not you and several of your friends cornered the punk and he stopped. Kids today are under the no tolerance rule, if they strike back they get the same punishment and in many cases if the bully isn't caught, and denies it, the only person in trouble is the one being bullied. Bring back the paddle, and kids getting it worse when they get home, problem solved.
Thatís cool but it still has squat to do with mass shootings in schools.
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School Shootings: The 'Elephant in the Room'

The "elephant in the room" for (many) of these mass school shootings is "How was the kid treated in school? Was he bullied, tormented, extremely socially rejected endlessly? Who was participating, to what level, and who was complicit? Everyone? Did anyone do anything about it on any significant, relevant scale? If the treatment is so bad, why didn't the parents pull him out for Homeschooling rather than torture? etc. etc.

Again, people do not like to consider such matters, and instead scapegoat the weapon of choice as the root cause of the issue--when, clearly, it is not. Logically, the same event could occur with bombs, suicide bombing, etc. etc. Furthermore, the reason why people do not like to consider it is that it destroys the "Disney Channel"/idealized-version of themselves, other people, and the world generally. As culpability is (often) partially reflected in the mirror.

What I would like to discuss is essentially what the Netflix series "13 Reasons Why" began to explore (which, apparently, many people were unable to handle). That is, the contributions your 'average' person makes to the daily suffering of others in their 'reach' through forms of extreme social rejection, bullying, dehumanization, etc., with the exceptions being very rare. Furthermore, how a person in such a perpetually painful/tormented state becomes necessarily 'unwell', often 'cries out for help' which goes ignored or the subject of further ridicule, deeper resentfulness builds as they become more withdrawn and is highly susceptible to lashing out in very dangerous, unhealthy, and counterproductive ways toward either themselves (i.e. self-harm, suicide) and/or to others in their personal mission of what is often imagined to be 'vigilante justice' on their behalf (i.e. hurting others who have often in some hurt them). (Side note: Consider the joke in Billy Madison, when Adam Sandler calls a guy from High School he used to bully, who then crosses his name off a 'hit list' once he hangs up the phone OR, in the movie "Full Metal Jacket").

I would add, the common euphuism/scapegoat is often 'mental health issues'--while, of course, anyone who is extremely socially rejected & ostracized (i.e. a 'social leper') will necessarily have substantial 'mental health issues'. Hence, why solitary confinement is internationally considered torture. If given the option, human beings would prefer to be around serial rapists, torturers, & murders at least part of the time rather than alone. It is a simple fact of our Biology, and much has been learnt about through Neuroscience & other disciplines, although, of course, much more research is necessary to gain further insights.

As just noted, quite a bit is now known about this phenomena as a matter Neuroscience/Biology, so the level of 'debate' occurring around it (or, rather, not happening) now is truly pathetic (dangerously so)--as, unfortunately, is often the case.

The reality is (which people are aware of, though want to 'brush under the rug'); Tragedies such as Columbine, Parkland, etc. would be logically impossible if even 20% (or less) of people were of high-level empathy--as the kids' lives would have been functionally completely different, which leads to superior mental health & stability, less resentment, etc. etc. [Note: Now, of course, there actually are some people with strictly innate mental health issues, though that is not what we are discussing here, in this context]

What would be interesting, though still highly tragic, would be if such a kid organized an effort very similar to what is portrayed in the movie "Seven Pounds" by Will Smith's character, rather than leaving the world as a mass murderer. That is, instead of focusing on all of the sh'tty people in the overwhelming majority who made their life 'hellish', seek out the rare 'good people' who may be in need, and offer what is possible through donations, including bone marrow, and organ donations prior to and upon self-inflicted death. In this way, they could get their story out, explain their reasoning, life experiences, etc. in a final letter to humanity which could potentially touch the 'hearts' of the 'average' person, who often/overwhelmingly contribute to the tragedy. This would give them that last bit of 'power'/'redemption' they are looking for--though, of course, the way it is happening now through mass murder is just absolutely nightmarish for everyone involved and is not going to help get through to people whatsoever; thus, perpetuating the cycle of torture & death, rather than throwing a 'wrench in the plans', as is often intended.

Link to "Seven Pounds" trailer here:

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No one, let me repeat this, NO ONE is attempting to scapegoat the weapon as the cause of the issue. This doesnít mean we ignore the weapon either.

After 9/11 no one was saying the planes were the cause of the attack. This, however, didnít stop us from putting some common sense safeguards into place to make it more difficult for someone to use a plane as a weapon of mass destruction.

Guess what? Since 9/11 no one has used a jumbo jet to crash into a building.

Since Columbine what have we done, as a nation, to prevent another Columbine from happening? Answer: Very little.

What have done is obviously not enough because the list of school shootings since Columbine could easily take up an entire page.

Oklahoma City bombing led to new laws about purchasing fertilizer. Shoe bomber led to new rules about how we are searched at airports. Drug trade has led to new laws about how we do our banking.

School shootings? Nothing.
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When I was in 7th, 8th and 9th grades I was a big skinny goofy looking fuck....Everybody picked on me....I couldn't play basketball, I had the co-ordination of a buffalo on an oil slick....Football??...Nahhhh...Girls??...hated me....The biggest bully took my lunch money for "protection".......

Today I am a big fat goofy looking fucker.....The Big Bully is a retired cop, and one of my best friends....He recently had a knee replacement and I was driving him around..... See how it works when you let the kids alone and work out their problems??
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The issue in bullying is when I was in school you either one handled it yourself, (I punched two bullies right in the nose, they beat my rear end but stopped bullying because it hurts to get punched in the nose) or an older sibling took care of the problem, if not you and several of your friends cornered the punk and he stopped. Kids today are under the no tolerance rule, if they strike back they get the same punishment and in many cases if the bully isn't caught, and denies it, the only person in trouble is the one being bullied. Bring back the paddle, and kids getting it worse when they get home, problem solved.
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I disagree. We will never be able to anticipate every unhappy schoolchild any more than we can anticipate every lone wolf Islamic terrorist. The answer is two fold. Increase school security measures and limit the potential damage by removing offensive military grade weaponry and 30 round magazines. Bullying has always happened in schools. Trying to identify every snowflake is mathematically impossible.
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What is an "offensive military grade weapon".....seriously can you even define it??
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That’s cool but it still has squat to do with mass shootings in schools.
Of course it does these kids being bullied have no recourse, teachers have favorites and they are usually the more popular, cheerleaders, jocks, rich kids. If they pick on a kid, teachers look the other way so as to be the cool teacher, and to avoid conflict. You can deny this all you want but I watched it happen. That is why these young people kill themselves so often, and in some cases take as many as they can with them.
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Of course it does these kids being bullied have no recourse, teachers have favorites and they are usually the more popular, cheerleaders, jocks, rich kids. If they pick on a kid, teachers look the other way so as to be the cool teacher, and to avoid conflict. You can deny this all you want but I watched it happen. That is why these young people kill themselves so often, and in some cases take as many as they can with them.
I just wonder how many of those fresh young innocent faces in those protest marches are guilty of the same bullying and peer ostracizing you are referring to...

But....it is the NRA's and Marco Rubio's fault....
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I just wonder how many of those fresh young innocent faces in those protest marches are guilty of the same bullying and peer ostracizing you are referring to...

But....it is the NRA's and Marco Rubio's fault....
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Exactly the point
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@Camelot, RNG, Clara, NWolfe, lefties, ...

To be clear, you believe "micro-aggressions" are so severe that people require 'safe-spaces' from the outside world--but, if a kid was (actually) bullied/tormented so extensively as to be (essentially) entirely excluded from social life aside from when they are getting taunted as a 'weirdo' for at minimum 5-6 years (when they were only age 19), that has no relevant psychological implications?

Do you see a fundamental incongruity here?
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