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Old April 2nd, 2018, 07:18 PM   #51
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Are you attempting to claim there is not scientific research linking extreme social rejection with suicidal/homicidal tendencies and school shootings--thus, making this case highly predictable?
It's my experience that while the usual jocks versus nerds is bad enough among the boys. Girls are MUCH MORE cruel and viscous in their social ostracization. Yet oddly, NOT ONE GIRL MASS SHOOTER ???

Why is that do you think ??
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Every teacher/school district is TRYING to address the bullying dilemma, but it's been around forever, hard to catch (in the act) and harder to squash. Students are reluctant to share this information with their teachers, but USUALLY, IF THEY do, the informed staff member(s) will alert other staff to be watchful. Bullies need to be targeted and caught in the assault--whether verbal or physical. Then something can be done.
There are so many things school boards and districts can do to stop the violence--the intruders and lone wolves. Schools HAVE tightened up security. They have implemented a single entrance--all other doors are locked--locks on the classroom doors--security fences with locked gates--security guards--clear plastic backpacks--lockdown drills--security cameras--faculty and staff badges are required--and now I imagine many schools will add metal detectors, but this will not solve the problem.
Bomb threats and fire alarms can still be manipulated. Students can open doors from the inside. Playgrounds are still dangerous.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindicators/ind_20.asp
Name a school shooting in large urban area that has metal detector and armed check points with locked doors.
Or, make it easy and read up on Chicago Public School system security.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/sc...s-drugs-gangs/

I know, that makes it really hard to use dead kids as a political narrative. It makes it really hard to use children as a shield against opposing ideas. But, in the end, it seems to keep schools safe.
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It's my experience that while the usual jocks versus nerds is bad enough among the boys. Girls are MUCH MORE cruel and viscous in their social ostracization. Yet oddly, NOT ONE GIRL MASS SHOOTER ???

Why is that do you think ??
Lack of testosterone.
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This is one of the most hilarious posts I've ever read. Amazing where anti-gun proponents get their info and fall for made-up nonsense.

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Ya know what. Let's just NOT even pretend the AR15 is anything other than what it is.
It is a semi-automatic gas system, nothing more and nothing less. It is people who don't know about weapons or listening to retarded anti-gun talking points that are pretending that it is anything other than what it is.

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It IS an URBAN ASSAULT WEAPON.
An URBAN ASSAULT WEAPON is a fortification buster.





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It was designed and built specifically for close quarters combat.
This is the US Marines - Close Combat Manual. There are no mentions of a rifle of any sort other than being used as a club or as a spear with a mounted bayonet.

US Marine Corps - Close Combat Manual

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No one "needs" an AR15.
Until you need one. Have you had to need to stand down a rioting mob such as the Koreans had to do in LA during the Rodney King Riots?

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They are terrible hunting weapons.
How? Repeating anti-gun talking points makes one sound ill informed or completely ignorant of hunting, and what an AR-15 is capable of.



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By the time you modify one in an attempt to make it an even half way decent hunting weapon you could have just bought a hunting rifle.
Bullshit.

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If you REALLY wanted to hunt with a "military grade" weapon the Barrett 50 cal snipers rifle would be an infinitely better choice. Similar muzzle velocity, vastly superior accuracy and range.
We don't have "military grade" weapons. What we have cannot pass military testing. Most cannot even fire NATO .556 without exploding. The rest will not past heat and torque tests. You obviously do not understand what it takes to have a weapon that can last through numerous and extensive fire fights with no extra barrels and parts on hand during a mission or campaign.

Then you double down on silliness with the the Barret. It is 32 pounds before adding accessories, magazine and ammo. It is so heavy that a common person cannot hold and fire it accurately without a bipod. You simply can't stalk prey with such a monstrosity because you will be more tired than that deer, and if you do hit it, there probably will be no trophy to mount. When you go deer hunting with a spotter and and a shot computer that involves the curvature and spin of Earth, plus wind and atmospheric influences, let me know.

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So let's just not pretend the AR is anyhting other than a WANNABEE'S toy.
An AR-15 is your bogeyman, and nothing more.
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Old April 2nd, 2018, 07:39 PM   #55
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It's my experience that while the usual jocks versus nerds is bad enough among the boys. Girls are MUCH MORE cruel and viscous in their social ostracization. Yet oddly, NOT ONE GIRL MASS SHOOTER ???

Why is that do you think ??
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I agree with the first part of your statement. As for your question, that is due to the same reason that girls are not as successful at suicide at the same rates, do not do as dangerous jobs, are highly under-represented in military service, etc. etc.--namely, men have high levels of testosterone and are psychologically programmed for aggressive, competitive behavior.
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Name a school shooting in large urban area that has metal detector and armed check points with locked doors.
Or, make it easy and read up on Chicago Public School system security.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/sc...s-drugs-gangs/

I know, that makes it really hard to use dead kids as a political narrative. It makes it really hard to use children as a shield against opposing ideas. But, in the end, it seems to keep schools safe.
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I agree that could (and evidently does) work in High School, though how would that work in College? I know, my Campus is far too big and open to have any similar type of system. Though, of course, there are police everywhere.
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I agree that could (and evidently does) work in High School, though how would that work in College? I know, my Campus is far too big and open to have any similar type of system. Though, of course, there are police everywhere.
There probably is no way to make an open air area completely safe. The closest thing I could think of for buildings would be similar to a large airport. Think of gates as class rooms and buildings as terminals. Now, I am not saying a total TSA approach of course, but something similar with check points and verified id to get in.

This may sound obtrusive, because it is. Look at how much money was spent on the TWIC card program for port security. Now, I am not a fan of TWIC because it became a bureaucratic boondoggle in order for Lockheed Martin to make money, but the premise could be adapted to a institution such as college. Basically you go through a check point scan your id with a unique pin. You have random id verification to make sure no one is using a borrowed id. Harsh ass penalties for using someone else id. You would have a pass and id control office set up to deal with lost id, temporary id and visitor id.

Is this going to cost? Yes it definitely is. But, it is essentially what we do at every major sporting event and concert. No ticket, security, metal detectors often times. Are the children and young lives not worth it?
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There probably is no way to make an open air area completely safe. The closest thing I could think of for buildings would be similar to a large airport. Think of gates as class rooms and buildings as terminals. Now, I am not saying a total TSA approach of course, but something similar with check points and verified id to get in.

This may sound obtrusive, because it is. Look at how much money was spent on the TWIC card program for port security. Now, I am not a fan of TWIC because it became a bureaucratic boondoggle in order for Lockheed Martin to make money, but the premise could be adapted to a institution such as college. Basically you go through a check point scan your id with a unique pin. You have random id verification to make sure no one is using a borrowed id. Harsh ass penalties for using someone else id. You would have a pass and id control office set up to deal with lost id, temporary id and visitor id.

Is this going to cost? Yes it definitely is. But, it is essentially what we do at every major sporting event and concert. No ticket, security, metal detectors often times. Are the children and young lives not worth it?
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From a strictly security standpoint, I would agree. Though, are you concerned about this becoming too overbearing?
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From a strictly security standpoint, I would agree. Though, are you concerned about this becoming too overbearing?
Oh, absolutely. Look at the patriot act. In order to keep us safe we came up with a law to save us from terrorists that became the major tool of the war on drugs. So I definitely have concerns about it becoming another privacy violation. I also would like to think, that the liberal bias in colleges and universities could temper that from happening. I certainly agree that it becoming a tool to be used as other than safety and security is a something to consider.
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Oh, absolutely. Look at the patriot act. In order to keep us safe we came up with a law to save us from terrorists that became the major tool of the war on drugs. So I definitely have concerns about it becoming another privacy violation. I also would like to think, that the liberal bias in colleges and universities could temper that from happening. I certainly agree that it becoming a tool to be used as other than safety and security is a something to consider.
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You mentioned the TSA before--do you have any thoughts about them? Good, bad, other?
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