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Old April 18th, 2018, 08:58 AM   #1
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Why democracy fails

Democracy fails because we hold a completely false idea of ourselves as intelligent creatures. We have the capability of being intelligent but until recently we did not have enough understanding of how our brains work to manifest the thinking population that a democracy requires. The Trump phenomena screams what is so wrong with our false idea of ourselves as intelligent creatures and why we must change that false idea of ourselves, and false ideas of what is a good leader.

Here are a couple of explanations of how we think and do not think, why we need to pay attention to our animals brains that are not exactly the result of a God making humans different from all other animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhQ16ik7HFk
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A bit off-topic:

You may thoroughly enjoy the World Science Festival in New York City that is held every year, if not already aware of it. I went a few years ago, and there are countless people such as Kahneman present. I was at one of the presentations, and one of the speakers, a Neuroscientist, mentioned Kahneman and stated that he was in the room at the moment. I turned around and noticed that K was just a few people directly behind me. Later in the presentation, a Physicist on the panel gave a 'shout-out'/joke toward Alan Guth, a famous theoretical physicists--I turned to my side and noticed Guth just 5-7 people away from me in the row I was sitting in (front). More aware now, I looked around a bit and saw quite a few notable figures in their respective fields around. Very cool experience, well worth another trip.
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Democracy fails because we hold a completely false idea of ourselves as intelligent creatures. We have the capability of being intelligent but until recently we did not have enough understanding of how our brains work to manifest the thinking population that a democracy requires. The Trump phenomena screams what is so wrong with our false idea of ourselves as intelligent creatures and why we must change that false idea of ourselves, and false ideas of what is a good leader.

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I agree that the Trump phenomenon indicates something's wrong with popular culture. But if you look back @ the Lincoln-Douglas debates, or the reading that young women were doing in the spinning mills (breaks & lunch, of course) in Massachusetts in the 1800s, you'd be amazed. People went to chautauquas & symposia & colloquia & followed some long & brilliant oral expositions.

& they didn't have the technical advantages we have to understand brain chemistry - PET scans & MRIs & so on. They made do by applying themselves - the educated read widely, learned foreign languages, & with printing presses for books & newspapers, anyone could follow the news & opinion of the day @ a reasonable cost.

Granted that there were fewer diversions then - no TV, radio - people played instruments, sang, put on readings & went to musical events @ bandstands, weather permitting. My impression is that the issues of the day - including politics - were much more discussed then, & people did the reading (or listened to someone read to them) to keep current.
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Democracy fails because people can vote themselves money from the Public Trust.
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Democracy fails because people can vote themselves money from the Public Trust.
Yeah, that, and it fails because the unscrupulous members of the top 0.1 percent quickly learn that they can buy politicians, newspapers, and banks, and that the salt of the earth - the poor working slobs as the unscrupulous members of the top 0.1 percent call them behind closed doors - who make the 0.1's dreams come true, btw - really will believe you if you tell them how great their lives are going to be just as soon as the good economy - the one with the record DJIAs - dribbles on down to them, and hopefully before inflation dries up the dribble.

But it has happened before, and not that long ago, the dribble drying up.........
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Yeah, that, and it fails because the unscrupulous members of the top 0.1 percent quickly learn that they can buy politicians, newspapers, and banks, and that the salt of the earth - the poor working slobs as the unscrupulous members of the top 0.1 percent call them behind closed doors - who make the 0.1's dreams come true, btw - really will believe you if you tell them how great their lives are going to be just as soon as the good economy - the one with the record DJIAs - dribbles on down to them, and hopefully before inflation dries up the dribble.

But it has happened before, and not that long ago, the dribble drying up.........

False Democracy top 1% only get 1% of the Vote.
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Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission(08-205)

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Not since US corporations were recognized by the US Supreme Court as having a right to political speech, & money was allowed as a form of speech. See Argument preview: Corporations in politics - SCOTUSblog - for details.

This is arguing about big corporations - not mom & pop operations that sell snacks & soda pop.
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Not since US corporations were recognized by the US Supreme Court as having a right to political speech, & money was allowed as a form of speech. See Argument preview: Corporations in politics - SCOTUSblog - for details.

This is arguing about big corporations - not mom & pop operations that sell snacks & soda pop.
Corporations are people.



you see the DNC and RNC are Corporations

the NEA, Trade Unions are Corporations.

Professional orginizations such as the ASCP (of which I was a member) AMA, ect are corporations,

Corporations are a single person or a group of people working to achieve a specific Goal..

that Goal may be Building and selling Cars, Curing Cancer, making working conditions better for members at their jobs.


What citizens united did was allow people like me to band together and fight the rich donors to the political parties/candidates

1000 people like me can band together and match the donations by those that have wealth
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Yeah, that, and it fails because the unscrupulous members of the top 0.1 percent quickly learn that they can buy politicians, newspapers, and banks, and that the salt of the earth - the poor working slobs as the unscrupulous members of the top 0.1 percent call them behind closed doors - who make the 0.1's dreams come true, btw - really will believe you if you tell them how great their lives are going to be just as soon as the good economy - the one with the record DJIAs - dribbles on down to them, and hopefully before inflation dries up the dribble.

But it has happened before, and not that long ago, the dribble drying up.........
This could actually be countered by adopting one of the laws in Britain. There is a maximum that each politician is allowed to spend on campaigning (even his/her own money) and if the politician goes over, s/he is disqualified.

That would eliminate the incentive too build these giant campaign funds.
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What citizens united did was allow people like me to band together and fight the rich donors to the political parties/candidates

1000 people like me can band together and match the donations by those that have wealth
No, corporations are composed of people. But unless that corporation as a whole polls its constituents on its political stances, the corporation responds to its ownership & management, not to its rank & file. & even then, because politics changes from day to day, that exemplary corporation would have to continue to poll its members on the issues of the day, as they arose. That kind of polling is possible now - but I still don't think it happens, except perhaps for WWF & some other issue-oriented organizations.

None of which TMK are aligned with the Koch brothers' web of funded organizations, for instance.
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