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Old May 30th, 2018, 01:15 PM   #11
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Whenever my kids told me that it wasn't fair that I made the rules and they had to obey, I told them that life wasn't fair. How old do you think a child has to be before they are told that life isn't fair? We can certainly work toward making life more fair, but we are setting the kids up for disappointment if we teach them that life should always be fair.
There is a difference between telling a child that it's too bad that the parent gets to tell them when to clean their room and life isn't fair - and telling a child that they better get used to being second class, scorned, held in contempt, fear for their safety if not their lives, prepare for being underunemployed, undervalued and underpaid because, well, life isn't fair.
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I CAN'T BELIEVE the bullshit I'm reading here about telling a child to accept racism in his lfie because life isn't fair.

MY GOD what shallow people.
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Old May 30th, 2018, 01:18 PM   #13
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O.M.G. Seriously? You would tell a 7 year old that LIFE IS NEVER GOING TO BE FAIR--EVER and many people have worse problems?

A 7 year old child??
Are you that stupid?

When I was 7 years old, I was completely capable of understanding the difference between right and wrong. I started school at 4 years of age. I walked to school by myself, I told my mom I didn't want her to accompany me. I was fully aware that life wasn't fair. Yes Clara, get a grip; thinking as you do is one of the major problems with our present school system.
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Last night, my great grandson told me it is unfair that there are so many white children in the school and so few darked skinned children like himself.

What do you make of that? He is so bothered by the disproportionate ratio of blacks and whites, I wonder if he would be happier in a different school district with more black students?
Get him involved in SOMETHING.. Sports, Band, what ever... What I have learned is people that are alike tend to group together it is human nature.

What happens when you become a member of a team.. the skin color is not an issue.

I am mixed race, I look white but on of my grandfathers was a police officer and eventually police chief in the town that was well respected that gave me a bit of cover, but not much. My mixed race was an issue many times because it was so known

I got involved in Band.. so I the band connection mitigated the racial, I played the Trumpet so the brass and trumpet section became close because we had to work together.
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I CAN'T BELIEVE the bullshit I'm reading here about telling a child to accept racism in his lfie because life isn't fair.

MY GOD what shallow people.
Never accept any "Ism" ( there maybe an acception of the rule but most isms divide people.)
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There is a difference between telling a child that it's too bad that the parent gets to tell them when to clean their room and life isn't fair - and telling a child that they better get used to being second class, scorned, held in contempt, fear for their safety if not their lives, prepare for being underunemployed, undervalued and underpaid because, well, life isn't fair.
Wait a minute. Did Athena private message you that her grandson was being scorned, held in contempt, and feared for their safety?
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When I was 7 years old, I was completely capable of understanding the difference between right and wrong. I started school at 4 years of age. I walked to school by myself, I told my mom I didn't want her to accompany me. I was fully aware that life wasn't fair. Yes Clara, get a grip; thinking as you do is one of the major problems with our present school system.

Get a grip?? because I think we should be a little more sensitive? About racism?
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Get him involved in SOMETHING.. Sports, Band, what ever... What I have learned is people that are alike tend to group together it is human nature.

What happens when you become a member of a team.. the skin color is not an issue.

I am mixed race, I look white but on of my grandfathers was a police officer and eventually police chief in the town that was well respected that gave me a bit of cover, but not much. My mixed race was an issue many times because it was so known

I got involved in Band.. so I the band connection mitigated the racial, I played the Trumpet so the brass and trumpet section became close because we had to work together.


TN, you make a good point. At age 7 a child can get involved in soccer or t-ball--something like that. I am anxious to hear what Athena said to the child and how she handled the situation. The race talk is as difficult as the birds and the bees. The "life is not fair" talk is also hard. Children can be cruel and it can be heartbreaking to be on the receiving end of the cruelty, not only for the child but the parent.
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Did you ask him specifics of why he felt it was unfair? Is he just wishing he could have more friends who look like him, or is he actually getting treated differently than the other kids?
No there are other dark-skinned children in the school and I have seen NO zero signs of them being treated differently. In discussion, he makes it clear he wants to be with those who look like him, like boys wanting to be with boys and girls wanting to be with girls. He was glad to know there is a country where most the people have dark skin. He certainly liked that but didn't understand my explanation of different cultures.

I have a friend who had a dark-skinned child and as an adult, he did go to Africa for a few years. I wish he still lived in Oregon instead of Idaho so we could talk with him about why he went to Africa and returned. Maybe my friend knows his thoughts on that?

Edited because I forgot the word NO! None of the children are treated differently as far as I can tell. We went to the school carnival last night and I didn't see any sign of a problem.

But we have a big problem this morning. Mom is not coming as she promised and he refuses to go to school and is very upset. I am so glad I know this is an emotional problem and not a behavior problem. He is channeling his upset into a creative project. This is a good life lesson on what to do when things go wrong.
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TN, you make a good point. At age 7 a child can get involved in soccer or t-ball--something like that. I am anxious to hear what Athena said to the child and how she handled the situation. The race talk is as difficult as the birds and the bees. The "life is not fair" talk is also hard. Children can be cruel and it can be heartbreaking to be on the receiving end of the cruelty, not only for the child but the parent.
He has never said anything of poor treatment, however, his mother did when she was a teenager. I was shocked when her skin color became an issue! I never thought of her as someone of color and I am sure if you saw her you wouldn't identify as a black person. But then I heard some people also consider Mexicans as people of color. She is part native American but certainly very light skinned. I hated that school and back then we didn't have choices. There was a lot wrong with the school. An elitism that was ugly. The biggest issue would be money status, not color. The point is his mother did experience feeling put down because of her skin color, but her son who is dark has never said anything to me about that.

The whole community took strong action against prejudice some years ago, and never in public has anyone treated him differently when I have been there, except they may say more nice things to him than other children? This family has more issues than skin color, and he really can use the extra words that build his self-esteem. But to him, being darker than everyone else is a problem. He sees himself as the only dark-skinned person in the family and in the minority at school and he doesn't like it. Nor does he understand why he is different. Mom lied to him and doesn't want to deal with the truth and I am not sure what I should do, but he is in my care now, and I have to help him.
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