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Old June 7th, 2018, 11:13 AM   #81
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Tell your great grandson all about Martin Luther King, and stop looking at people according to the color of their skin.
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Why do you think you know what is true for other people when all you have to on is your limited life experience? You have a lot of explaining to do convince me you know any more than your own limited personal experience of life. I know damn well I did not have had the life I wanted and the males and social customs that made this so. I use the exclamation "damn" because it is not just about me, but also about my children, and their children and their children's children.

Self-center males have ruled our lives and they had done a lot of damage. the female perspective is very different and I look forward to when the female perspective is strong enough to make even more of a difference that it has so far.
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Tell your great grandson all about Martin Luther King, and stop looking at people according to the color of their skin.
Well, here's another newbie in need of education:

Martin Luther King Jr. fought for more than civil rights. This was the protest less remembered
Martin Luther King Jr. fought for more than civil rights. This was the protest less remembered
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It hurts. It hurts me to think that children that age feel left out, treated unfairly, or unaccepted for any reason, but particularly because they LOOK different than the majority.

What did you tell him?
What age?
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Why do you think you know what is true for other people when all you have to on is your limited life experience? You have a lot of explaining to do convince me you know any more than your own limited personal experience of life. I know damn well I did not have had the life I wanted and the males and social customs that made this so. I use the exclamation "damn" because it is not just about me, but also about my children, and their children and their children's children.

Self-center males have ruled our lives and they had done a lot of damage. the female perspective is very different and I look forward to when the female perspective is strong enough to make even more of a difference that it has so far.
the problem isn't males it is "Self-Centered"...

I find out usually when God Smacks me down through the Holy Spirit is when I am putting 'Self" First.

the most used quote from the bible used by males to make women 2nd class is Ephesians .. the first line of the quote they omit.

"First Submit one to another"

Then the male is given the task to treat his wife the same way Christ Treated the Church.

Who washed who's feet was it Christ washing the apostles feet or the apostles washing Christ's feet.

Christ introduced the concept of servant leadership
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Tell your great grandson all about Martin Luther King, and stop looking at people according to the color of their skin.
Our feelings are what they are. The child wishes there were more students who look like him in the school. There is nothing wrong with this.

I do not think helping him to understand racism and Martin Luther are the things to do. Such reasoning has nothing to do with his feeling. His feeling has nothing to do with being treated differently. His feeling is natural and it might help if we all acknowledge such a feeling without thinking it is racist and without being judgmental?
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the problem isn't males it is "Self-Centered"...

I find out usually when God Smacks me down through the Holy Spirit is when I am putting 'Self" First.

the most used quote from the bible used by males to make women 2nd class is Ephesians .. the first line of the quote they omit.

"First Submit one to another"

Then the male is given the task to treat his wife the same way Christ Treated the Church.

Who washed who's feet was it Christ washing the apostles feet or the apostles washing Christ's feet.

Christ introduced the concept of servant leadership
Sometimes what we think we know, prevents us from learning. You hit the argument problem on the head. Religion tends to make men think they understand life and "the rules" for life. That is not the same as understanding relationships through experience and sensitivity. Then because they think they know how things "should be", they force this on others and problems erupt.

One of you forum members knows the best response is a beautiful bouquet of flowers. Maybe there is a verse in the bible for that, but I think not. Besides Christianity justifies everything, from being overly stern to being overly dependent and submissive. I am concerned humanity has not done well because we have relied too much on what a holy book says and not enough on our sensitivity and ability to respond to emotions with emotional intelligence, flowers, hugs, acknowledgment. I think male domination and the silence of women has been a stumbling block in doing better.

I know white men made black men feel inferior and intimidated by calling them "boy". I would frown upon a woman who was so insensitive and dominating.

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Why do you think you know what is true for other people when all you have to on is your limited life experience? You have a lot of explaining to do convince me you know any more than your own limited personal experience of life. I know damn well I did not have had the life I wanted and the males and social customs that made this so. I use the exclamation "damn" because it is not just about me, but also about my children, and their children and their children's children.

Self-center males have ruled our lives and they had done a lot of damage. the female perspective is very different and I look forward to when the female perspective is strong enough to make even more of a difference that it has so far.
Au contraire my dear Dr. Watson.
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What age?
A 7-year-old boy of color. However, Clara's sentiment added a concern about racism that was not intended in the OP.

I am learning as we go. My own understanding is changing as we go. And someone who sent me a bouquet that really helped me see things differently by addressing my feelings, without an argument or reasoning. I have come to see the child's feeling is simply a feeling that deserves acknowledgment. He wants there to be more students who look like him. That is a natural feeling with no reasoning attached to it. I think we have gotten so carried away with our thinking, that maybe all of us are having a problem dealing with feelings?

He also wants more candy too and is unhappy when I say no. We all need to learn to cope with life not being exactly as we want it, and sometimes it is just nice to receive a bouquet of flowers and a smilies throwing kisses and love. Unfortunately, I don't think the child would be as pleased with flowers as I am. But I think I need to acknowledge his feeling and perhaps look around the community and see if others are feeling the way?

I know doing workshops for people with medical/physical problems has helped me a lot because when I am with them, I feel normal. I don't feel normal when I am with people who do not have physical problems. I would like a find a support group for children in foster care and children of color or come up with a program myself for these children, so they can get acknowment and help each other cope.
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Au contraire my dear Dr. Watson.
That did not go so well did it.

We come to the forum with our own axes to grind and this gets all confused with our arguments. Help me here. There are some feeling things that we are not managing well. Reading books can help, but they do not carry the meaning of experience. Hopefully, as I stumble through my interactions with others, I will expand my consciousness and do better.

My ax to grind is I think if some fathers had been better fathers, there would be less hurt children. Then their daughters wouldn't be so messed up that they make bad choices and then their children suffer the consequences. But I have to stop blaming men for this without acknowledging the female part of the problem. The bible doesn't work for me, but maybe there is a line of reasoning that does work for all of us.

In so many ways I think we could be doing better.
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